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[–] WhoFramedReaderRabit 0 points 105 points (+105|-0) ago 

I don't think it's just colleges, it rapidly becoming all of society. We're living in an increasingly Politically Correct world.

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[–] CrypticMetaphr 1 points 27 points (+28|-1) ago 

I totally agree that this is a general phenomenon and not isolated to colleges. You can see it happening anywhere you have aggregates of people with opinions. For whatever reason, the middle ground is never good enough for either extreme, and gets attacked until it either becomes more extreme or disappears. You see it on reddit, any comment section, and hell, even in US politics. Compromise and middle ground are dirty words, and to concede any points is seen as weakness. Maybe there's just something about people that makes them tend to polarize, maybe its the result of our society. I tend to think that its easier for people to come together under strong, absolute ideologies, and they push the extremes because you all agree by default, and can circlejerk your way into feeling socially accepted. The internet really facilitates this, and so those strong social pressures to fit in and be a part of a group result in the mess we're in now.

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[–] garbagehat 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Everyone feels their own life is somehow more important than learning or understanding. When I read articles or actually overhear people talking about how something should be banned, or needs a trigger warning, I feel like society is headed in the wrong direction. People should be open to new experiences and chalk them up to learning if they don't like something, but it's easier for them to put in no effort or thought, say something is offensive or out of line with how they feel and move on. To me, this kind of mentality isn't just stifling our society, it's ruining perfectly reasonable aspects of free thought and exchange of ideas.

I don't care if you disagree with something I say, but you should consider it, if only for a little. For every point has a counter-point, so will people feel compelled to pick sides.

Though the Internet shows us that it does easily facilitate this, is also does have areas of openness and discussion. It's all a cluster of good and bad. People need to sort through it for themselves, but part of me wishes more were open-minded.

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[–] Mr_Lovette 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I would place the internet as the majority reason as to why this is happening too.

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[–] Meatshield 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I actually tend to point to the ability for people to isolate themselves into echo chambers than can exacerbate their leanings one way or another. Most people don't actually fall into nice neat buckets of "Conservative" or "Liberal", but when all you see, hear, and talk about leans that way, you just think that's the norm. Unfortunately we have the Internet to thank for that, since you can just go on sites that have communities that support your viewpoint.

Add to that the way we treat people who are "different", and it looks more like warfare than discussion. One of the first things you do in warfare is dehumanize the opposition, which is why you hear rhetoric like "Conservatives are moronic, brainwashed sheeple" or "people who practice abortions are monsters". It's subtle, but say it enough and people begin to believe it.

Now, all of that vitriol isn't stuff we want to actually spill over into our public lives (for most of us, some people naturally thrive on the drama), so the PC movement was really about us coming to an agreement to speak civilly in the real world, while we sling mud digitally. Then, since we are in a war after all, it got corrupted to mean you can't offend anyone or do anything in the least bit "threatening".

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[–] TriumphantDefeat 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

I wholeheartedly agree and it's very saddening. We're at a point when we have to use the relative anonymity of sites like Voat and reddit to express opinions that would otherwise get us in big trouble. I'm not even talking about controversial or outlandish opinions or polemic. I'm talking about educated opinions or opinions with good footing based on observations (and sometimes even hard data). If you aren't compliant with the expected way to write things or how you address someone, you are likely to be bullied, shamed, called all sorts insane things, accused of <insert social injustice name>. They know it's speech and thought suppression and they are happy to throw their collective weight around to get their way and force everyone into compliance with their world view.

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[–] Biplane 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Not starting anything but no one is giving examples of ideals they feel are surpressed. Id like to educate myself on all kinds of opinions.

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[–] mrskeletaldootdoot [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Chris rock mentioned that about performing at colleges

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[–] mrskeletaldootdoot [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Has it always been this way? Or has there been a period of time in history where things have taken a similar turn?

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[–] brontide 0 points 33 points (+33|-0) ago 

It's game theory played out with classroom ideologies.

Go with the groupthink and do your work, get decent or good grades the majority of the time.

Go against the groupthink and do your work, you have a non-insignificant risk of being penalized either by the teacher or alienated by classmates leading to lower grades.

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[–] FatIsUgly 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I wrote a paper (purposefully antagonistic, I guess) that disagreed with my teacher's views and ended up being dropped for it. The official reason was that I had missed three days that semester, despite many more students with more days missed not being dropped (and I was dropped several weeks after my last missed day).

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[–] cronenburger 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This really seems like something that only would happen in lower level classes with larger class sizes. If not, then that really should be a decent sized criteria when looking at colleges and majors.

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[–] GOATMAN 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Also a lack of cross communication between departments and a disconnect from the professional world. Career academics are entrenched in their functional silos. I worked as a graduate assistant for awhile and lost a lot of respect for the people managing the learning environment.

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[–] macleod2486 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Oh believe me there is plenty of disconnect between departments, even departments that are similar in needs.

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[–] codioBunny 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Lowering of standards definitely.

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[–] JManSenior918 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Currently in college for the first time as I'm still a youngster. While I agree with your thoughts I'd like to add that to myself (and many others) college is almost viewed as a contractual agreement. Since so many people now go to college (even those who shouldn't or don't need to) and it's so damn expensive, the students take a view of "I give you a shit-ton of money, you give me a ticket into a cushy job after four years" with minimal effort put in on their part.

Given the fact that standards for students are (apparently) at an all time low, and everyone who has half a brain is pushed to college like cattle, it's not to hard to see how this mentality came to be. This is especially true for undergrad students who simply want access to what they think, or have been told, is the lifestyle they want.

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[–] Baron_Bridges 6 points 48 points (+54|-6) ago 

I've been in college since 2011. We are required to take 1-2 "multicultural" classes for almost any degree, in which liberal garbage is shoved down our throats. The tests are piss easy - literally just memorize liberal opinions and spit them back onto paper. It's clearly a government mandated class of some sort. All the impressionable students eat this crap up and make it part of their special snowflake identity. If you dare mention how ridiculous and overly PC all this seems, you are a racist or a bigot and will fail the class. If you write anything on your tests that isn't straight out of the readings, you will fail the test. I can't stand this shit, but it is mandatory to graduate. I waited until my junior year to take these classes and could see them for the freshman indoctrination crap they are, but the younger kids around me drink it all up like water.

This is only the mandatory electives. I also have a Spanish major. Most of my literature based classes are entirely mind reading technique classes because if you wrote anything the teacher didn't agree with, it would be marked wrong. Liberal Arts has become a joke of a degree, and it shows when employers laugh you out of an interview for trying to apply for anything legitimate with your Sociology or Women's Studies "degree." Thank god I am in business school.

American college is 100% the modern propaganda machine. Fills your head with bullshit then chains you down with debt for the rest of your life. The perfect, docile, obedient wage slave for the corporate machine.

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[–] bakcha 0 points 37 points (+37|-0) ago 

This was not my experience at all.

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[–] CrypticMetaphr 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

Yeah, I can't say this was my experience either. To be fair, I majored in the sciences, but even the Women and Gender studies class that I took didn't fault anyone for disagreeing or taking issue with certain points that people made. I heavily criticized some of the conclusions the readings came to, as well as the divisiveness I saw in general feminist rhetoric and was thanked for my input and criticisms. I mean, some teachers feel the need to push their agendas on students, but that's an issue of crappy people, not indicative of Universities in general being propaganda machines.

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[–] Baron_Bridges 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

I attend a very large state university. It's state owned, so funded by the government. Therefore, it has to bend enough to the state-approved curriculum to receive funding. I am sure it will be a very different experience at a smaller school or a private institution.

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[–] hypercat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I went to a super liberal school and the only class I took that was like that, sorta, was a queer studies course on girly boys in Asian countries. It seriously was my last choice, but it was pretty easy. I didn't feel like any agenda was forced and the class was diverse in their opinions etc. Then again, this was 10 years ago.

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[–] jgant33 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yep. My major was financial planning and I was forced to take some "fine arts" credits. I ended up in a Peace Studies class and you can probably guess the kind of liberal stuff they forced on us. I'm pretty liberal myself, but I still don't want it shoved down my throat.

One of our assignments was to write a paper on a non-profit organization that is improving the world or something like that. Most of the class wrote about things like Greenpeace, but I wrote about the NRA Foundation just to spite the professor (not saying that I support the NRA here). And boy did she hate it. She originally gave me a C+, and when I went to ask her what the problem was she couldn't give me any answer besides she didn't like the NRA. I ended up proving that I followed the rubric almost perfectly, and she changed my grade to an A- :)

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[–] Solstiare 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Things like this give me hope for a world where I can dissagree.

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[–] brainbaobao 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This was not my experience.

Maybe you went to the wrong university. Mine requires electives for STEM majors to be in the humanities and arts, such as economics, music, world languages, history, etc. The history classes I've taken are very balanced, and even China is viewed in a very neutral objective way.

Of course, there is a gender studies major, but there are only 2 required semester courses for the whole undergraduate career. The rest has to be fulfilled with humanities, arts, or STEM. But then again, gender studies majors tend to not be very good at their classes, and aren't able to get into better universities.

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[–] xufeelinlukyx 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

While I see your point I don't agree with your statement that anyone with a "Sociology" or "Women's Studies" would be laughed their way out of an interview for legitimate jobs. That is a very blanket statement and depends on your opinion of what a legitimate job is. Perhaps they won't be investment bankers, but jobs in social work, I would say most people have Liberal Arts degrees. I know many people who love their jobs, they get tons of vacation, help people and never work more than 40 hrs a week.

For those who want to earn more money in these fields they go into private practice by getting a Masters in Social Work. At this point MSW's will get around $75-$150/hr from over worked business graduates who got legitimate jobs to listen to their problems. Sociology majors simply learn different skills, just like I don't know how to make financial forecasts, I doubt you know the intricacies of Gestalt or Psychodynamic theory.

Personally I graduated with a Sociology degree and am an analyst for the government, I sure wasn't laughed out of my interview.

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[–] lackscompassion 0 points 29 points (+29|-0) ago 

Not all public colleges are liberal its a misconception because of how vocal the insanely liberal college folks are.

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[–] nonoyesyes 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This is true - I went to college in Iowa (although not public) and can confirm. A gay student leader was kicked out of the religious non-denominational InterVarsity group. A few years later some people I knew who went to InterVarsity meetings told me they were going to raise someone from the dead. I didn't make too many friends there.

http://www.iowastatedaily.com/opinion/article_c53b8bdc-9c83-51ab-9fae-e2634b36bdef.html

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[–] PassingShip 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Raise someone from the dead? Seriously?

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[–] Qikdraw 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I think this needs to be higher. It really is a case of a vocal minority. They've always been around, but now with the internet and 'social media' their prattling is getting a wider audience. Plus while one college may only have five people speaking out, now they can band with hundreds of other people around the country and all of a sudden they think they are part of a 'movement'. They put themselves into an echo chamber and that is all they talk about. But fear not, they will grow out of this. Remember the hippies of the 60s became the corporate 'evil overlords' they themselves hated back then.

Also there are colleges and universities pushing back against this idiocy and there will be more, even though some are bowing down to it. So now this is something you do need to look at when looking into secondary education. Once a college or university realizes that that kind of stuff harms their reputation, and possibly rating it becomes about money and they'll push back against it again too. So if someone is thinking about where to go, look up that 'PC', 'SJW', far 'left' or far 'right' viewpoints. I mean look how shitty a rating Liberty University has. Same thing will happen to other universities that decide to pander to a political or ideological viewpoint.

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[–] TardisParkBoys 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I can only speak from personal experience, and I realize my anecdotal evidence probably doesn't count for much. However, I just finished my fourth year at a major public university in the Midwest, and in my experience the vast majority of undergrad students, staff, and graduate students I have encountered have been very liberal. It is not a minority at my school, and I can only imagine that, being fairly representational of public midwestern universities in general, the trend is true elsewhere as well. In fact, the school I attend is comprised of almost 90% white, middle class students, so if anything I would expect that schools with higher ethnic minority populations would be more likely to have a liberal trend. Outside of private, religiously affiliated universities, I sincerely believe there is an overwhelming liberal/progressive trend among university populations.

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[–] purr 3 points 28 points (+31|-3) ago 

I haven't even started college yet and at the school I'll be attending, I've already seen two signs about 'safe spaces' for LGBT people. Now I'm gay, but FUCK YOUR SAFE SPACE BULLSHIT.

I'm sick of it. I don't want to live in a SJW safe space, especially one that's designed to benefit me. I've seriously considered tearing those poster down; I will if I'm sure I'll get away with it.

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[–] 1F4A9 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

If you aren't a woman of color, I wouldn't risk it.

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[–] brainbaobao 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

No, if he's gay and a minority then he should be fine.

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[–] sweetholymosiah 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

You just have to be able to back up your opinions with facts or some sort of context. Perhaps that's what your missing. Free thought, sure... but are you also willing to consider someone else's perspective? Are you willing to entertain the idea that everything you knew before is wrong? That's what post-secondary should be about, letting go of your pre-conceived notions and opening your mind to other people and ideas. Dissent is good, but you better be ready to defend your ideas from people who know what the fuck they are talking about.

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[–] Tanaghrison 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Yea, that's great in theory, but the problem is that most instructors only show a critical perspective on ideas that clash with their own beliefs. The readings are targeted to back these beliefs. This leads to students swallowing an ideology, rather than learning how to think critically. In an ideal world, and in quality classrooms, all perspectives are properly critically analyzed, and leads to students who have learned to think, rather than regurgitate. Unfortunately these professors and classrooms are vastly outnumbered by the brainwashing classrooms.

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[–] sweetholymosiah 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I'm sorry to hear that about your post secondary experience. My time in university was a little different. My profs were eager to critically analyze everything, but I was in sociology so that's kinda ALL we did.

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[–] Frijolito 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

I'd say so. Universities were supposed to be centers of higher thought, a place where ideas were challenged and discussed on the basis of merit rather than popular opinion or political correctness. As other in this thread have pointed out, there is a large amount of young college students who are heavily influenced by politically correct ideologies that even disagreeing with them will get you labelled as intolerant. Personally, I think we're now seeing the results of the special snowflake generation who were raised in a time where everyone gets a trophy no matter how unathletic they are, everyone is a genius no matter how dumb, etc.

The most worrisome thing that has become more and more prevalent on college campuses are "Free Speech Zones". You can hold whatever protest, demonstration, etc. you'd like but only in these designated areas and if no other groups are using them at your desired time. This highly un-American practice is what I believe to be one of the largest contributors to the decline of critical thought on college campuses. The entire country is supposed to be a fucking free speech zone.

Looking towards the future, when my generation (millennials) become the "old" ones, censorship and equality ad absurdum will be our biggest faults. I'm reminded of a track on an old Tom Lehrer record where he was making a joke about the US army,

"The usual jokes about the army aside, one of the many fine things one has to admit is how they've carried American democratic ideal to its logical conclusion. Not only do they prohibit discrimination on the grounds of race, creed, and color, but also on the grounds of ability."

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[–] Adonis_Von_Megadong 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Looking towards the future, when my generation (millennials) become the "old" ones, censorship and equality ad absurdum will be our biggest faults.

God I hope the future generations are able to realize this and haven't been raised in same "everybody gets a trophy" environment that is currently fucking things up so much.

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[–] alteisen_riese 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I wouldn't blame it entirely on "everyone gets a trophy". I was raised at the beginning of that movement and I ate it up as a kid, until one time in my teenage years where I realized it was all grade A bullshit. I was not special, no one gives a shit, and I have to work to earn anything. A lot of people I knew realized that at some point in highschool. As a consequence, I now am very cynical and I tend to view any complement as patronising and pointless. I guess in the end "everyone gets a trophy" did the opposite from what was intended for most people I know.

The administration and parents didn't seem to feel the same way though. I remember when I graduated highschool, one of the guest speakers from a different highschool was on the news because his speech was basically titled "you're not special", and outlined how insignificant you are as an individual.

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[–] Meatfist 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I am concerned about this. I just finished up at community college and will be starting at a pretty good college this Fall.

I should be able to avoid most political and social commentary because of my intended major, but I am not excited to experience what is likely a place that stymies actual discussion in favor of teaching impressionable youth what to think instead of how to think and subsequently watching those youth form strong opinions with a lack of information. I am a few years older than the average junior in college.

Either way, it depends on your college.

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[–] AgriGrunt 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I majored in agriculture and minored in chemistry. Every department is political now-a-days. I got a reduced grade on an assignment in biochemistry when I said that GMOs were an effective method of controlling world hunger. 14 of the pages were about how GMOs are created biochemically, but that one line in my introduction section reduced my grade from an A- to a B.

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[–] Meatfist 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Exactly what I'm worried about. My school is already notorious for grade deflation

A quick Google search shows that you probably had a bunch of sources to support that statement. Wondering if Computer Science can be politicized to a letter grade difference.

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[–] Exastii 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Don't be, this is the American way of doing things, my brother. You go to college and do your thing. Just say whatever bullshit they want to hear. The important thing is for you to never eat that bullshit. Once you're actually making money, you are free to say and fight for whatever you believe in because money talks.

Money will allow you to create and feed your own bullshit to others without any repercussion, unless you run out of benjamins, of course.

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[–] cronenburger 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm sure there are at least a few other people in any college that think like you. Try to find them yourself because the college isn't always going to find them for you especially if they are 1-2+ semesters ahead or behind you.

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