[–] GreenSlug 35 points 72 points (+107|-35) ago 

Vaccines are a scam. Made to destroy your body over the long term so you end up spending more time and money in the medical system.

[–] CowWithBeef 2 points 81 points (+83|-2) ago 

This gets obvious if you think clearly about their financial incentives. They are not liable for injuring you with a vaccine. Ever. This makes vaccines a unique opportunity to create future sales by causing chronic, treatable ailments. They would be harming their bottom line by giving us safe, effective vaccines. They want sick, dependent customers.

[–] 9-11 2 points 51 points (+53|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Leftists could give a shit less about Measles outbreaks (or w/e ailment), they're vaccinated anyways right? This is about establishing the precedent that parental rights over your own child don't exist. You might have noticed recent court cases where parents rights were removed for combating their child's new demand to cut their dick off. The state forcing children to be vaccinated is just about attacking the parent/child/family dynamic for trans rights to proceed, as well as establishing the foundation for "consent laws" for pedo rights down the road. Your kids are state property as far as vaccines and forced sterilization are concerned.

[–] GlamourSpork 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

Yep. Money, money, money. Get your shot, get your booster! Omg you might die if you don't! Just gives big pharma more money.

I got an MMR a thousand years ago in high school and promptly came down with rubella. Couldn't have been the shot...

[–] TrueAmerican 21 points 10 points (+31|-21) ago 

I think it's more likely that vaccines ARE safe and effective for the majority (95%?) But for some people the vaccines do end up doing more harm than good. I don't believe they are engineered or manufactured with the intent of causing damage over time and I'd have to see some scientific evidence to be convinced of that claim.

[–] Lapstrake 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

The pushback against anti-vaxxers is fierce. We watched an episode of 'The Orville' the other night. The plot was that an alien anti-vaxxer couple were murdering people because their son's career was destroyed when he submitted an anti-vaccine research paper to a journal. It was blatant propaganda. Season two has been shit so far. Just had to sit through two gay sex episodes. Was that the condition that the show survives another season, that it has to be leftist propaganda?

[–] CommiePatrol 3 points 9 points (+12|-3) ago 

I'm really on the fence regarding this. On one hand I totally agree, and I'm not one of those people that wants to inject myself with random crap. I'm in my 30s and never get any shots for anything(knock on wood). However you cannot deny that there are deceases out there that vaccines do prevent, it's a fact. So I'm not sure what to do regarding vaccinating my kids. Will I give them a shot for everything that the hospitals tell me to vaccinate from - absolutely not. But will I get them shots for certain things - I don't know? Especially now that the state I live in requires you to get vaccines for just 2-3 basic things. I don't even see a way around that? Any advice?

Thanks.

[–] fedevela 3 points 16 points (+19|-3) ago 

Actually, once you look at the data of things like Measels and Polio you will see the disease was already disappearing with normal better standard of living things, like sewage.

[–] GreenSlug 1 point 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

I had all the standard childhood vaccinations and had a lot of issues with things like adhd and social anxiety my entire childhood. Were they linked? Idk. What i do know for sure is that i literally never had the flu until i had to get the flu vaccine for a job, then, i got the flu. Ive never gotten any other vaccines as an adult and i am in general healthier than the vast majority of other people i know, but I don't know their vaccinations either. I do know that giving babies vaccines causes problems, a big one being a tendency to trigger a fever so high it could brain damage. And i have heard of many parents and pet owners both noticing severe changes in their respective creatures following vaccines. I just think a better solution instead of vaccines would be quarantines. The human immune system is adaptable and strong and should be allowed to do its job without some suspect chemical cocktail getting in the way. People with contagious illnesses should just be quarantined instead of forcing the entire population to be a medical experiment

[–] cleverbird 1 point 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

I'm about on the same page. I don't think vaccines are inherently bad, but I do have a problem with the growing list of required vaccines infants and children have to get, and I have a big problem with governments forcing people to inject their children with shit that may or may not be harmful. It's a technology that isn't good or bad, but in the wrong hands could cause a real issue. And it seems to be in the wrong hands. If only we could trust our governments to actually have our best interests in mind, but that's just naive.

[–] Tyrone_Biggums 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

All I know is giving a child nearly a dozen different vaccines at once cannot be danger free.

[–] One-Way_Bus 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago 

May you explain how smallpox, polio, measles and other diseases disappeared then from the Western world? Was it magic?

[–] Sheetz 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Then get the fucking vaccine for just polio then, maybe wait until you've heard of at least ONE case of it happening some where in the whole US first.

[–] thislionsheart 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

It was probably because before big pharma in the USA , Iodine was prescribed for anything that wasn't understood and was considered a panacea. Iodine kills all pathogens. The RDA is pathetic. 200mcg? Try 30mg. And people are brainwashed to think that Iodine is poison! FLUORIDE in water makes iodine leech out worse and so does BROMIDE in white bread.

[–] PeaceSeeker 5 points 1 point (+6|-5) ago 

I don't have a stance in this debate because I haven't done thorough enough research, but things like smallpox, polio, and measles are conceivably associated with certain behaviours that we as societies stopped doing to the point that the diseases disappeared. Like how the plagues were largely caused by digging up dead bodies, and how syphilis is caused by degenerate sex). Not letting sewage run in our streets, better nutrition -- such things could have conceivably removed polio, measles, and smallpox from our societies.

[–] foltaisaprovenshill 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Because it's TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE that pharma companies started adding adulterants at any time after the invention of the vaccine durr durr durr

[–] ilikeskittles 5 points 5 points (+10|-5) ago 

Bullshit.

[–] Rainy-Day-Dream 4 points 49 points (+53|-4) ago  (edited ago)

well... deaths from measles for example actually dropped off in the 40s and 50s before the vaccine was introduced. Cases of measles itself are less prevalent but actually more deadly since the vaccine was introduced. source

the measles vaccine also doesn't always work: "We found 18 reports of measles outbreaks in very highly immunized school populations where 71% to 99.8% of students were immunized against measles. Despite these high rates of immunization, 30% to 100% (mean, 77%) of all measles cases in these outbreaks occurred in previously immunized students. In our hypothetical school model, after more than 95% of schoolchildren are immunized against measles, the majority of measles cases occur in appropriately immunized children. Conclusions: The apparent paradox is that as measles immunization rates rise to high levels in a population, measles becomes a disease of immunized persons."

other recommended reading:

Outbreak of measles among persons with prior evidence of immunity, New York City, 2011.

"The largest measles epidemic in North America in the last decade, occurred in 2011 in Quebec, Canada, where rates of 1- and 2-dose vaccine coverage among children 3 years of age were 95%-97% and 90%"

Can Measles Vaccine Cause Injury & Death?(short answer: yes)

all in all I think people probably should get vaccinated, but the idea that they should be punished by law for deciding not to is way more dangerous than anything anti-vaxxers could think or do. What do you think is a worse risk for America; allowing people to make what might be bad or dangerous decisions or allowing the government to legislate what might be bad or dangerous laws?

[–] Yakutan_Noma 1 point 15 points (+16|-1) ago  (edited ago)

It was not the vaccine which caused the drop off. As much as I hate beating this dead horse it was the improvements in numerous other variables which declined measles, also the treatment of measles afflicted symptoms became easily managed in the West as a consequence. The other thing, measles was in decline before the drug vaccines. In the developing world measles still destroys people because of malnutrition(NAIDS) which weakens the general immune system and easily treatable complications such as dysentery. The other is antibiotics improved in the same time period and could reduce measles severity and thus mortality.

The limitations of these falsehoods of the MSM narrative rest from epidemiology. Loose sloppy correlations without much in the way of controls. Even today this is seen because only physicians, hospitals and tenuous sources of data collection such as schools and daycares report stats to the government. Guess which kids get taken to these places to register as statistics? Children with a severity in symptoms from measles. What about the rest? They literally don't exist in the statistics. That means there's are huge population of unreported children with measles.

The school outbreaks are very interesting as you mentioned in the one example. This also occurs commonly at Universities, Colleges where there are international students, where they bring in other measles variants. "Vaccine failure" is the MSM propaganda slang used to cover up the complete and total non effaciousness of the drug where a wild variant will equally effect vaccinated and non vaccinated alike.

allowing people to make what might be bad or dangerous decisions or allowing the government to legislate what might be bad or dangerous laws

This is a wholly unacceptable view. The government propagates drug vaccines as part of its campaign for Eugenics. Historically the Rockefellers, Carnegie's and the other old Amero-European plutocracy created Eugenics as measure to advance population control. The Rockfeller Foundation in particular granted almost a billion dollars to develop the German/Nazi Kaiser Wilhelm Institute, feverishly exporting this concept to other countries, yet only low ranking Nazi military personal got crucified during the Nuremberg trails. US Eugenics laws didn't even disappear "officially" till about the 1970s. Even beyond that Planned Parenthood and other Eugenics organizations have been working tirelessly to sterilize the population and reduce births. This included fitting untested birth control on Black children where their rates of reproduction were lower then Whites in some communities sometime in the 1980s-1990s.

Now most measures of Eugenics are popularized through Feminism, birth control and the normality of non-reproductive practices aka "hookup culture", also including popularized degenerative diets such as veganism/plant based. Drug vaccines offer the plutocrats a direct avenue to directly modify the population. Another thing they are feverishly working towards is popularizing the concept of a consumer market for genetic modification, ie Genomics. One example is the Genomics Chair of McGill University in Canada, Bartha Maria Knoppers herself is a privately admitted Eugenicist, I know this because she gave the 2017 Galton lecture, year in review where she publically stated this. She's also an "Order of Canada and Quebec". These are not randoms making such comments, but people at the top echelons of academia, and people closely associated to the ruling plutocracy.

[–] Guardbuddy 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Eugenics

*Dysgenics

[–] Rainy-Day-Dream 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago  (edited ago)

It was not the vaccine which caused the drop off.

as I stated the decline in mortality clearly predates and doesn't even correspond with the introduction of the vaccine and mortality actually increases after the introduction, the decline of prevalence corresponds but also decreases prior to the introduction and I didn't actually comment on causation there.

The school outbreaks are very interesting as you mentioned in the one example.

what's important is that even at high rates of vaccination you still see outbreaks and more pertinently the majority of cases in these outbreaks, 77% across them, occur in the vaccinated students meaning it doesn't actually make sense for the media narrative to imply that unvaccinated students pose any greater risk to public health since arguably vaccinated children pose the same risk according to these examples

This is a wholly unacceptable view

what is? I'm just begging the question because I think letting people make what some think are bad decisions is safer to society than allowing the government to implement bad laws because even if for the sake of argument we assume "experts" are right and anti-vaxxers are wrong all they should have to do is explain that to them in discussion and these laws would even in that case still be unjustified and against even basic concepts of personal freedom from government tyranny

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[–] thislionsheart 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It's the additives, many of which are listed. How many of which are not listed, and how easy could it be to slip something into a vaccine?

I had seizures for years following a forced vaccination in Canadian jail.

Mercury?

Regardless, forced anything is scary.

[–] Rainy-Day-Dream 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

in some cases it doesn't though as shown in the linked studies and in certain cases it can even result in injury up to and including possible death. So I think people should be able to choose not to get them and not be punished by law for doing so. Maybe it's safer to get them but it's not my and it's especially not the governments place to dictate to people how to care for their kids and what medical decisions they should make.

[–] Rainy-Day-Dream 1 point 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

@empress in case you're wondering about vaccinating ^

[–] Empress 4 points 11 points (+15|-4) ago 

I'm postponing indefinitely.

[–] SparklingWiggle ago 

I agree with your post and can't believe the blind stupidity I am seeing in this post. Voat has had an influx of retarded people in the last year.

[–] clamhurt_legbeard 1 point 42 points (+43|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Reddit had a specific goal to increase vaccinations this year.

Why does reddit care? Fuck if I know.

[–] CowWithBeef 2 points 22 points (+24|-2) ago 

Pharma has a lot of money and reddit has a lot of idiots from whom to extract more money.

[–] satisfyinghump 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

Not just idiots. Extremely impressuonable people who care what their friends/the world thinks about them. If you notice, there's a huge rise in trying to make people associate the craziness of not vaccinating with the crazy of supporting Trump (I am NOT stating people are crazy for not vaccinating or are crazy for supporting Trump. I'm stating what 'they're are doing.) So, the people who are trying to make money think that they can convince those who are anti-Trump but undecided or even leaving against vaccines to go ahead and get vaccinated or let their kids get vaccinated simply so they can talk about it at the next liberal potluck or school bake sale and make sure everyone knows their acceptance of getting vaccinated is proof of their hatred of Trump or support of the liberal agenda/Democrats/Killary.

At least that's how I'm seeing this play out.

[–] philmchawk 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

Because immigrants aren't vaccinated. They are trying to blame the very very very small % of white people that don't vaccinate rather than the millions of immigrants.

[–] Tyrone_Biggums 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

This is the exact reason it’s in the news. Third world invaders are the problem, but they are using white suburban moms as the scapegoat to push their agenda.

[–] jimibulgin 1 point 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

Why does reddit care?

Because Reddit is astroturfed by Jews.

I'd swear >50% of the comments over there are professionals.

[–] blumen4alles 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Seems like every site besides Voat is like that nowadays. I literally can not comment with the intention of adding to the conversation without my comment being deleted and getting banned. Makes me sick.

[–] qwop 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

The whole front page of Reddit is bought and paid for. It's a complete pay-for-play platform.

[–] goatsandbros 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Immigrants are bringing disease, and the left media is probably are under marching orders to meme against anti-vax, so that when the plague inevitably drops, everyone blames the movement instead of the real source.

[–] Neskuaxa 1 point 24 points (+25|-1) ago 

MSM narratives to keep the dumb goy lobotomized enough to be useful slaves but not question the narrative.

Italy recently sacked it's entire vaccine board Because it was discovered what was in the vaccines wasn't actually what they claimed, and in many cases, it didn't even include what they said they were inoculating for.

[–] blumen4alles 1 point 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

This comment should be higher up. I will never again allow a vaccine to be given to myself or any other living being (dog, cat, goat, etc.) under my care. Related Archived Newsweek News Article.

The Newsweek report never mentions that in the VERY SHORT time after real people who were not eugenics plants and sell outs got put on Italy’s top advisory board, tests have already been run on the childhood vaccine – Infanrix Hexa that is supposed to contain the following antigens: tetanus, diphtheria and pertussis toxoids; inactivated poliomyelitis viral strains 1-2-3; and hepatitis B surface antigen AND FOUND NONE of these antigens in the vaccine, meaning, that NO antibodies for anything advertised on the label will be created. So what does the “vaccine” really do? Short answer: You can’t have what is on the label get in the way of a social engineering vaccine that specifically reduces intelligence and makes a drone, and often induces autism as a side effect, so it is best to just leave it out!

YES FOLKS, THAT IS THE EXACT VACCINE PARENTS COMPLAIN ABOUT SCREWING UP THEIR KIDS THE MOST.

More here.

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[–] SamAcarious ago 

Italy is pretty based, they still have a long way to go though

[–] Neskuaxa ago 

Considering their populist party was just banned from Facebook, I'd say they're rustling the right jimmies.

[–] Caesarkid1 2 points 24 points (+26|-2) ago 

Everything they've told you is a lie, so why would they be telling the truth about this?

Stuff like this basically.

So right now there are laws requiring parents to school their children. Homeschooling is under attack, meanwhile laws are enacted to force parents to vaccinate their children to send them to public school.

So essentially you have some people losing free will. The group attempting to take this free will away (A) must justify this action in some way. Meanwhile the group trying to maintain their freedoms (B) are trying to voice their concerns over the vaccines.

Group B is the more sincere of the two. Group A is the collectivist tyrannical group.

Of course the kids are the ones who suffer if group B fails. The kids will either be taken from group B or forcibly inoculated. Now most of the currently manditory vaccines are probably ok. This however does not excuse the theft of freedom by Group A of Group B.

The most Group A should focus on doing is educate individuals on the various vaccines and eliminate some of the concerns through rigorous double blind studies.

[–] NoRagrets 4 points -2 points (+2|-4) ago 

The kids will either be taken from group B or forcibly inoculated.

This is only legal if your child has a birth certificate. Without a birth certificate a PERSON (a legal fiction) is never created, the child is a natural human being and is owned by no one.

[–] 14WordsToFreedom 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

All political power comes from the barrel of a gun, hombre. You may have correctly identified a legal loophole, but you’ll never be allowed to climb through it.

[–] CowWithBeef 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

The pro/anti vax frame is wizardry. The more specific knowledge of vaccines one gains, the fewer vaccines they will support giving their children. The pharma fags need to make it a no-think zone. People are brainwashed to be reflexively pro-vax so they won't figure it out. OP I'm glad your understanding of the media has red pilled you on the topic. It would be really fucking convenient if the majority of the population would get to where you are.

[–] MarauderShields ago 

This is informative. The manufactured dichotomy of vax / no-vax and nothing in between.

[–] Thisismyvoatusername 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

I am in the same boat for the same reason. I am anti-vax only to the extent I do not believe it is proper for the government to force vaccines in people against their will. But I believe most vaccine work and are a good idea. That doesn’t mean all vaccines are well formulated and safe, though. So when they start acting the way they are now it makes me suspicious.

[–] nmgoh2 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

Yes. Vaccines are good and necessary to a modern society.

But mandatory injections ultimately mean we're strapping down an unwilling patient and injecting them with drugs they don't want.

Path of least resistance is to get the immunizations, but they have to be a choice.

[–] NotTheMeanest 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

No, they are neither good nor necessary, and have not saved one single life. What has saved people is healthy immune systems, which do not come at the end of a needle.

[–] CowWithBeef 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

What's sad is they're pushing for your reasonable pro-choice position to be considered anti-vax.

[–] BushChuck 5 points 15 points (+20|-5) ago 

anti-vax

Any time there's a catch phrase, you should be very suspicious.

Vacca = cow

ine = to do with, concerning

Mooo.

[–] KILLtheRATS 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Yep. It smells of a Jewish marketing team

[–] antistatist ago  (edited ago)

flue = influenza = influence = propaganda = bioweapon as incentive

[–] chirogonemd ago  (edited ago)

To be fair, that's because the concept of vaccination came about from studying the Cowpox virus, which can infect humans.

It is actually super interesting. The doctor was inspired to start the research because he observed that milkmaids in the late 1700s who had been exposed to cowpox often displayed unusual resistance to smallpox epidemics. Then he started taking pus from these women with smallpox and putting it into cuts in children's skin. He'd then intentionally expose the kids to the virus. They developed resistance.

Just kind of crazy to think a doctor was doing this kind of thing back then. Could you imagine a motherfucker doing this today?

Fuck testing on a monkey or a rat, I'm gonna rub pus on kids and see if I can kill them after that. It was a different time.

[–] BushChuck 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I would prefer that methodology to the current one.

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