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[–] Kleyno 1 point 13 points (+14|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Several things:

Drugs - Legalise

Child Bodily Mutilation (circumcision included) - Illegal

Faith based schools - Illegal

Justin Bieber - Illegal

Incest between consenting adults - Legal (I might find it icky, but I don't think you should be jailed for it, so long as no children result from it.)

Assisted Suicide - Legal

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[–] Brianbrain 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Faith based schools should at the least not be accredited for anything but religious studies. Kinda weird when they teach kids that dinosaurs and homosapiens lived in the same time frame.

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[–] Comrade_Meow 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Alright maybe we're talking about two different things here, but I went through 12 years of Catholic school and at no point did they ever teach me any ridiculous crap like evolution was a myth or anything like that. Compared to all the other options I had, they gave me a far better education than the public school system ever would have and did it on a budget.

Yea, there were a few of the crazier aspects if Catholicism that we learned and just as quickly dismissed (except a select few diehards), but it was nothing that contradicted science in any way.

Hell, I came out of that system an atheist and I'm glad I went through that as opposed to the public school system

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[–] jimtheoneofmany 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

2011 called, they want their popular culture references back...

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[–] pangeapedestrian ago 

i dunno none of these things seem very important at all really. like, pretty basic shit and also really oddly specific.

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[–] Kleyno ago 

What are you going on about?

The guy asked what we thought should be legal or illegal. So I threw some examples out. By definition, those examples would be specific.

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[–] pangeapedestrian ago 

defining "faith based school" is a bit more tricky than one might think. (see: number of justified non-secular non-constitutional school facilities throughout america)

the rest seemed good but kinda skips all the big issues. i mean you got social shit down pretty well but it seems like egality and anything that would actually significantly improve many lives are overlooked entirely (except legalizing drugs that does appear to do that in most/all countries that's happened in).

and an ol' classic for you as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QspuCt1FM9M

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[–] Genemaster 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." Plato
legal/illegal is due to laws: I would love to see humanity stop wasting brains and manpower on unnecessary tasks....We only need one rule: do no do anything that may affect someone else (don't do to people what you do not want people to do to you).

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[–] fight_the_power [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Legalize: - (medical) marijuana - yeah i know... but i live in europe, and laws aren't up to date here imo. also i demand a controlled distribution, connected with factors like psychological health of the customers

illegalize: - extreme forms of factory farming - telephone advertising (this needs more enforcement) - donations to political partys (at least those coming from powerful people and corporations) - false advertising/ misinformation about products - software developers/publishers selling unfinished products

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[–] mPony ago 

can you explain why you'd like to illegalize "extreme forms of factory farming"? Can you delineate between farming, factory farming, and Extreme factory farming? (I've spoken to others about this before and I think this could be interesting to discuss.)

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[–] fight_the_power [S] ago  (edited ago)

i try to make this short. I think that there are ways of farming that still regard animals as living creatures and not as products running around. Although defining "a valuable life" for other creatures is difficult, I think we should do our best to orientate Meat/egg/dairy production towards the wish to give those animals a valuable life before they die. Also I think that many people eat lots of meat while buying the products at very low prices, which is a cause for this situation. If people changed their buying behavior, factory farming could possibly be less extreme. In general you can very well observe that producers are pressured into producing the meat on terms that are capitalist and end up treating animals like shit. Another example is chick sexing - it just doesn't make any sense for me unless you consider money and production costs.

Edit: So illegalizing extreme forms of factory farming is in fact difficult since it could mean that prices will rise - but i think that this is acceptable.

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[–] nilceps ago 

Wait why would you only want to legalize weed and not all drugs? What about cocaine, LSD, meth, heroin, etc. etc.?

Also isn't all advertising false advertising, or do you mean stuff like "This car can fly" because that is a major grey area.

And while we are at software (I'm going to guess you are talking about games), when is a product finished? You certainly can't mean that if a game requires patches that it is unfinished?

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[–] fight_the_power [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

i have put a lot of thought in the legalization of drugs and can't really foresee how the legalization of all drugs would turn out. I think that at least users shouldn't be criminalized, on everything beyond that i'm kinda unsure.

about the software thing: there are games that just don't work as they should: BF4 was a good example when it was released.

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[–] Disaronnoonthecocks 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Pharmaceutical commercials should be illegal IMO.

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[–] pangeapedestrian 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

All the answers i've seen so far are largely like ,,legalize it!,, and pretty basicass shit.

So look here,s what you do to fix society:

Provide systems that take care of everyone,s most basic needs as well as possible. By making all money transfers public on a public network this would be easier (but we can scrap it if any of you have any foolish ideas about privacy and continuing to use the internet the way we do). Groundup production- (like communism but without the massive incentive failures- we'll get to that)- just make it a law that everybody has to have a garden/cow/chickens/whathaveyou. aeroponic garden made of pvc in your house doesn't take up a lot of space and will grow you food for the relatively low cost of energy it takes to power your lights for it (free if you buy a solar panel). this grassroots shit really is extremely doable given all the crazy fuckin scifi tech we have now. did you know you can have a vr headset using any smartphone and a cardboard cutout you can print off for a fuckin nickle at the library? reply/pm for source. have separate spheres of government/business for needs/wants (simply put). everybody still wants that ferrari. everybody still wants that gold watch. allowing free trade (within this theoretical ,,private,, -v public- sphere) is still profitable/productive. people will still work hard for nice things they want. even if they aren't indebted to some system in which they have to constantly make enough money to feed themselves and have a roof and blood transfusions. Just providing people with their basic needs (to best of your society,s ability which should be its ultimate and constantly evolving goal)- folks still want that ferrari (or filet mignon/cheerios/kitkats/whathaveyou). This creates kind of a nice buffer if you get a bunch of people excited about communism who then starve to death. Communist pyramid scheme seems a bit more locally catostrophic than a capitalist pyramid scheme. people generally don't like to live in complete leisure, it's boring and uncomfortable. worst case scenario you have a lot of lazy people making a lot of art and music. still productive. and a quick look at federal budget shows that feeding and housing everybody likely wouldn,t take that much money (compared with many of very real/actual expenditures- see: f-35, black-budgets- rice and water is actually pretty cheap- lot cheaper if everybody legally has to generate even some food for themselves/their communities- like what if your only required job was watering your garden? and if it's hydro/aeroponic just tell and old laptop to do it for you- i mean farming is harder than that but it really doesn't have to be).

integrate a polling-system with some kind of social networking platform of which the source code is all open and constantly maintained/discussed. then you can get opinion polls from your entire population on every single piece of legislature going through their state/electoral district/whathaveyou. voila, pure democracy (and we wouldn't all vote once every 4 years for 1/2 candidates whose charisma tells us they will fix all our particular red/blue problems).

my question about all this is- why do we have all this focus on industrial automation and not grassroots automation? i mean, why NOT free ourselves from ,,buddhist-suffering,, nihilistic crap? if you ask me that,s a pretty shit philosophy that kinda gets forced on you but it doesn,t seem like it,s entirely unavoidable from a logistics standpoint.

anyway now that we've made voat can we go and fix society/save the world and all that garbage now ? i'm glad my content is back though- yall should head over to v/youtubehaiku cause that place is the tits and it's pretty dead here on voat.

I am a dog and that is my eli5 answer to ,,how to fix global problems,,. yall should talk to your pets more. my own dog is a socialist-libertarian. boy talk about language barriers.

damnit we still didn't fix the quotations bug with commenting? is this just me?

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[–] pangeapedestrian 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

huh! thanks. that is a conscious and pretty cool thing to do. kind of a big problem actually- that worthless witticisms get read and considered lengthy posts do not. really too bad- obvious in other places too, headline reading instead of actually reading news and whatnot. add generation problem i guess- not sure if it's fixable. maybe just try to condense worthwhile shit into witticisms? anyway thanks for the engagement. appreciated.

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[–] individualin1984 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

The simplest way I can state this is as follows.

legal harms no one external to me.

illegal has reasonable probability of harming people other than myself.

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[–] pangeapedestrian ago 

Found it difficult to do the whole legal/not legal.

But here's how to "fix" United States. Take care of everybody's basic needs. Take care of them with a public program that is focused entirely on meeting those needs better and better. Rice today filet-mignon tomorrow.

Make it a law that you have to produce food/energy either for yourself, part of your needs, or surplus to help your immediate community. Buy a solar panel. Build a windmill. Buy a bunch of solar panels and sell the energy for pennies and beans around your community (your community will respect you for it).

Integrate all legislation passing through Congress with some sort of open-source (and constantly examined/tested) polling platform. Viola- pure democracy. And we are lucky enough to do it more than once every 4 years for a charismatic individual who generally and loosely explains how they will solve all our problems. ("...and after i'm done not killing people in the middle east, withdrawing our troops and forces counter to many international interests, i will close guantanamo bay! and then, i will feed all the starving children of africa! and don't forget to buy a t-shirt to remind everyone you are an informed voter and on the right side of this important national issue of whether you are in the 50% blue side or the 50% red side!")

Don't eliminate free-trade and the private sector, that shit is productive, profitable, and provisions us with all kinds of delicious commodities. Curb it when necessary- anyone who has played Monopoly should more or less know what a monopoly does to free-trade and competition. People will still work hard if all their needs are met. And if we don't there is still a profitable and profiting private sector of cheap and semi-nutritious food made primarily of very cheap corn. And all that other shit you want but can't afford of course, fine zinfandels, and zanzibars, and morels for the mushroom sauce, and filet mignon for the sirloins, and a nice dry chianti to pair, loafers for sneakers (kk examples are fun but that's enough). We still want that Ferrari in our retirement plan (even if we know it is a fiction), but more than that we want the denim and the motorcycles and the hagen-daz and the kit kats. Nothing wrong with that. Seems good. I like kit kats. Less approving of the owner of kit kat trying to sell me shit that is supposed to fall for free from the sky but in many of my haunts is apparently too poisonous to drink just from the act of falling through the sky.

Anyway, my Dog explained all this to me. He does not really have an affinity politically speaking but loosely describes himself as a "socialist-libertarian". Shit, talk about language barriers eh. Anyway yall should talk to your pets more.

Sorry I deviated from the legalize/illegalize dichotomy. I still have a bit of a synthetic binary between capitalism and communism though hope that's acceptable enough.

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