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[–] pipispapas 3 points 38 points (+41|-3) ago 

updates without user approval or even notification.

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[–] neillium 5 points 16 points (+21|-5) ago  (edited ago)

I just fail to see how that is a 100% bad thing. A lot of people ignore updates (even my wife does even after I stress the importance of updating) that could solve potential security risks. While I may not fall into that group, I usually install updates as soon as I see that they are available. I can't think of the last time I had any OS breaking issues with Windows when I installed an update.

As for the "when it will update", I've read a few things that say it will only try installing when the computer is not in use. I assume there will be some sort of window that it will watch for (15+ minutes of inactivity from the user) and then try to install. Hopefully, they'll even allow you to choose an optimal time to install updates (like 3am).

On top of that, there are tons of services that we use that push updates that no one really ever has a problem with because that has been the status quo for a long time. I think the best thing we can do (and probably do in reality) is wait for the Win10 update to come out and then decide (objectively) if this is even an issue and if it is, how severely it affects us as users and then give feedback.

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[–] Matterhorny 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

As someone else said its not just security updates. It's also ads, apps, programs, downloading your usage data, etc.

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[–] doctor_cucumber 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago  (edited ago)

My iPhone just installed an undeletable apple watch app without my permission with the new update- I don't even have an apple watch. Seeing it every day, taking up space on my phone screen, is annoying. I don't like being forcefully advertised at on my home device that I'm supposed to be able to customize and make my own. Needless to say, I won't be grabbing another idevice when it comes time to trade in for a replacement.

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[–] Number1dududuNumber1 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Updating windows kills my multiple monitor setup regularly :(

I have to reconfigure all my monitors from scratch. One is portrait and one landscape either side. The portrait monitor sits a bit below the bottom of the two landscape ones so I have to set it up, change my primary monitor preference, move taskbar, adjust height of portrait in settings. It's nothing major but god is it frustrating.

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[–] Diavolo1988 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

ever played an online game and suddenly windows wants to download an update crippling your net?

ever had windows XP and not wanted to get vista because it sucked?

you'll be forced into both those situations at least. the updates may even contain malware, spying software, all kinds of shit. ads, an unwanted toolbar. you lose the ability to control what is being installed on your system, that's actually pretty major.

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[–] Trenchie 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Not sure why you're getting any upgoats, because you're just wrong as all hell. The recommended option is to have your updates automatically installed, but that's recommended for a damned good reason. Lots of people have this really weird desire to never update their software, and they're causing their own problems. The store can also be configured to only update apps with approval.

So, yeah, the recommended update scheme doesn't notify you. But the OS asks you if you want to customize your settings when you first use it. So if you don't want updates to install without user approval or notification, just change the setting.

In conclusion...

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[–] sozcaps 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I have javascript disabled as a rule. I don't open websites I'm not familiar with. So is it really a big deal that I haven't run a Windows update in half a decade? My machines runs fine.

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[–] doc_chicken 3 points 4 points (+7|-3) ago 

Aaaaand that's all folks.

It really is rather disgusting. I mean aside from the privacy issues, one would think that has the potential to bog down your computer pretty harshly with random apps. I was perfectly capable of clicking the update button myself.

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[–] Trenchie 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That's fine, don't configure it to auto-update apps or the OS. It's an option, and the default is (rightly) to auto-update.

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[–] LordHumongus 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Including adware. That's why everyone's getting the Windows 10 for free notification....an update installed the ad.

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[–] GeorgepantsMcg 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

So when your other software informs you of an update... Are those ads?

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[–] BadSushi 3 points 22 points (+25|-3) ago 

The catch? Its Windows.

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[–] Reddiggoat 0 points 40 points (+40|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Some of us can't help liking playing games on our computers.

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[–] Boyakasha 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

This is partly why I love Valve for making their SteamOS Linux based. It's going to drastically increase Linux support for popular gaming. I'll happily dump Windows when Linux becomes a viable alternative for gaming.

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[–] Slyboots 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Zing!

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[–] nyarlathotim 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Zing!

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[–] techlovingeek 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

You mean Zune + Bing !

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[–] 404-User-not-found 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

I've always said it;s all about the ecosystem. I'm a slave to apple because that's the ecosystem where i've spent the most money on equipment and content. Switching would be like the switch to DVD's from VCR's where I had to re-buy my content.

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[–] savageslav 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Honestly I don't see what is the big deal when switching. I have been mac user for years. About year ago I decided not to spend absurd amount of money on new editing machine so I build one my self with the help of a friend. Originally we installed this hacked IOS. It turns out it had some problems so I just got out and purchased windows 8.1 at the store.

After about year of using it I can honestly say that I don't miss IOS in my workflow at all. As the matter of fact I think it is much better for video editing. On top of that if I want to upgrade I don't need to purchase a whole new machine. I can just upgrade whatever hardware I need and save a ton of money in the process.

For the record I use macbook pro and android phone. Honestly I don't really care about ecosystem anymore I just pick the tool that works best for my needs.

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[–] pitenius 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm a slave to apple because that's the ecosystem where i've spent the most money on equipment and content.

You mean, this was all bullshit?

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[–] Bjorney 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Also I feel like the bulk of their license sales are to manufacturers to come pre-loaded on laptops/desktops (which they will probably still charge for), and to companies for business/networking

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[–] diggy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Kinda. Microsoft wants to encourage more people to develop using their new* universal app design, but nobody is going to if there is no audience using an OS that can run these apps. They are banking on people upgrading to Windows 10, liking the new app design so much that they also buy a windows phone so they can run those same apps on mobile.

Now, whether or not people will like Universal apps I do not know. WPF is fine for desktop use as far as I'm concerned. However, I can see that Microsoft does need their users to upgrade if they are to have ANY chance of achieving any of these goals.

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[–] e0steven 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I totally agree, except for them totally nuking their phone divisions :(

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[–] LeetSkeet 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Said you and the two other people who have Windows phone.

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[–] Alopix 3 points 14 points (+17|-3) ago 

If you aren't paying, you're the product.

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[–] e0steven 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

In general I would agree, however in this case I would hazard a guess that you never were the product. Businesses and OEM's are and will continue to be the product.

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[–] Vanwe 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Just because you were not the main profit source, doesn't mean you weren't an important one. It also doesn't mean that they are not going to try to monetize that population in another way.

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[–] Slyboots 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You realize its only free for a year right, If you didnt upgrade in that year you will have to pay.

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[–] Alopix 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

And after that year people who did upgrade will most likely start getting nagged to purchase a subscription.

Windows isn't free. It will never be free. They're only changing how they make money to a less upfront, less honest model based on subs and apps, as part of their foisting of mobile paradigms onto PC.

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[–] Pawn 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

then what? subscription time? No thanks I'll keep 8.1

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[–] Scaven 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

I'm not 100% sure there is a catch. I will say I believe Microsoft feels they've lost a good market share and in an attempt to re-establish it they are given this one away for free. People still have to pay for the general Microsoft software but if they can get everyone back on Microsoft then the next OS will be charged for. When you look at companies who are public you have to see every decision (even if it is giving away something free) as a ploy to make more money. Luckily, with Microsoft this go around they are looking to gain the money later rather than now.

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[–] e0steven 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Secondarily, businesses are their primary source of income. When was the last time you saw a Microsoft OS 'flying' off store shelves? How about never. Their market is to businesses and OEMs. Plain and simple. They don't want the massive backlog of versions or having people 'opting' into older versions (remember how long you could get a new computer with XP still on it?).

I think people are seeing too much tin foil/conspiracy into it. You (the average consumer) were never the money makers for Windows OS.

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[–] greeneggsandham 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

When was the last time you saw a Microsoft OS 'flying' off store shelves? How about never.

Not true. When windows 95 was release, I remember it being a very big deal. It was all over the news and there was lines outside store during release. Huge stack of copies in store isles with most of them gone by the next day. This was during Microsoft's peak, stores actually sold software and dial-up internet...different times.

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[–] Scaven 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'd say you are correct. But Microsoft also bets on a trickle down system in that the worker's of a given business begin to be very familiar with using Microsoft products. Therefore, when they get home they want to still be familiar with their personal systems. At this point they will opt for product that have Microsoft.

The tin-foil hat is because much like any public traded company there is always a reason behind their decisions to give something free away. It's never just a lets help out the consumer here.

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[–] CMS 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I think it is just an attempt to modernize microsofts base. There are more people using XP tha OS X.

http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

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[–] LeetSkeet 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

No, they've never really cared about home licenses. They make their money in Enterprise/Corporate licensing.

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[–] Vanwe 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

It is worth noting that because you did not buy it, you do not own it. It's part of the change to "windows as as service" instead of a product. People talk about updates without user approval, but updates is not the correct word. Changes would be better. Because you do not own your copy of windows, they are free to block or force anything they want, more like they do with mobile OS. Imagine a PC that will only run programs approved on the "Apps store". While this is not proposed, and may not be the goal, this is now a possibility.

In short very little information has been released about what "windows as a service" means, so there is a lot of fear of worst case scenarios. We just don't know what the catch is, if there is one. It could be bad, it could be nothing.

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[–] GhostDelorean 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

This is why we install Linux

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[–] RedSocks157 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I would jump to linux in a heartbeat, but I can't play most games on it...I was hoping maybe I could play games in a Windows VM but a quick search seems to indicate that isn't possible.

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[–] bossmojoman 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

On the flip side, you be never bought the OS. You've licensed it and they have always had the right to block to force anything they want. They just haven't.

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[–] Vanwe 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It is my understanding that was not the case. After buying the license there were a few restrictions, specifically related to duplicating the product, but you were free to do what you wanted to your copy of the OS. You never needed to jailbreak windows in order to do anything. I may be wrong though.

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[–] just-my-2c 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Actually, I paid for this when they sold me win7.

This is NOT free software. It's a free upgrade.

Or are they giving it away to anyone now, without any questions asked?

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[–] Vanwe 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I suppose there is some reasoning there, but I don't like it. You paid for windows 7, you did not pay with an understanding you would get future versions included in that price. And no, service packs and security updates are not the same thing as this. You paid for windows 7 with the understanding that there would be future versions of windows that you would either pay for or not get. Now one of those future versions that counts among those you expected to pay for, you are getting without paying.

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[–] Boyakasha 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Here's my prediction. They push the updates out to everyone and then brag about how high their adoption rate is and that this is due to people loving the new OS and flocking to it. You'll see them boasting about this being the most successful/popular release of Windows yet, etc.

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[–] e0steven 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Totally true. I think it will also boost/accelerate their support timelines (IE making older versions obsolete).

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[–] EpicMachine 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Reading these comments; I guess I will be staying with WIndows 7 for a few more years.

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