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[–] chubnubbin 0 points 223 points (+223|-0) ago 

As more users come here, I am afraid the quality of comments/posts will inevitably go down. But for now and the foreseeable future, i am enjoying what we all have here on Voat.

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[–] TheKillerRabbit 1 points 83 points (+84|-1) ago 

You gotta preserve the quality with your votes! According to your ccp, you have about 610 votes each day. Use them wisely so that the rest of us can enjoy the good stuff.

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[–] chubnubbin 0 points 32 points (+32|-0) ago 

I thought I had a lot until I saw your profile...

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[–] eggnewton 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

You have a limited number of votes even once you're past the 20/100 ccp? Does that total include comment and post votes?

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[–] astroskag 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

Exactly why I love a system that gives more 'weight' to users that have proven themselves valuable contributors, even though I'm still small-time myself. It's a valuable tool in fending off the 'eternal september'.

It also makes it a lot easier to establish a total hivemind and lock out any dissenting opinions, but we wouldn't do that, right guys?

.. right?

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[–] Rea11yN0tMe 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Can you explain the connection between CCP and the number of voats to me? I seem to run out of them on most days.

Edit: Found the explanation further down. The number of voats per day is CCP / 2.
https://voat.co/v/AskVoat/comments/277689/978963

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[–] Slothtronaut 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Before I left reddit last week most of the subs I was active on were smaller tight net subs. Most of those had a similar feel to the way all of voat is now. I just got fed up with everything going on over there and decided it would be a better investment of my time to help build something worthwhile here.

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[–] spryes 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

I feel like reddit got too big for its own good, honestly. Everything already has 1000s of comments before I get a chance to join the discussion, so why join in when everything's already been said and discussed already? I had this feeling of being too late to everything and the feeling of being really insignificant. That feels different here - like I actually have a voice.

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[–] ablindmansees 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

This is why I came over too. I wasn't overly affected by Reddit changes, but I want to support Voat. I don't want to partake in the Reddit company, I enjoyed the reddit community, but it's not about that anymore.

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[–] Bullet_Tooth_Tony 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Similar. I unsubbed from every main sub and only had maybe 3 or 4 sub-reddits I was active on. The amount of stuff on my front page was minimal and the conversation was good. To me, even keeping the larger groups active in Voat, I still feel the level of discourse is quite good.

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[–] Morbo [S] 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I'm sure things will begin to slide after Voat grows to a significant size. If we work hard to train each wave of new refugees in the ways of the Goat, we may be able to prolong our great discussions and quality content. I'm up for the challenge and will stick with Voat as long as possible. This is my new home on the Internet.

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[–] Senescence 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

How do we go about training the refugees then? Some of the low-effort, non-contributing comments are leaking over and I only have but one downvote to give.

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[–] The_Penis_Apprentice 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I just wish the DDOS attacks would stop so i could use the app..

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[–] rogue_pineapple 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Wait... there's a Voat app now?

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[–] Xenoprimate 1 points 52 points (+53|-1) ago  (edited ago)

This place is killer right now but honestly? I think once it gets big enough it'll see the same kinda crap as reddit. It's still worth staying though because we won't see the huge moderator cabals and secretive shady admin stuff going on (like shadowbans). Plus there are parts of this site that are already much better than reddit (explicit down/upvote numbers woo!).

I think a really important thing that Voat could do is always restrict the number of downvotes you can give as a proportion of your CCP (say, 10%, ever), and not to just allow anyone over 100CCP to downvote without limit. That way people would reserve their downvotes for just spam/racism etc and not disagreement. EDIT: Not even racism

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[–] CaCtUs2003 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I think you should get 5 downvoats a day per 100 CCP. So those with 100 CCP only get 5 downvoats a day. Those with 200 CCP get 10 downvoats a day. You see where I'm going with this.

It would prevent brigades and butthurt people from going onto someone's profile and downvoating everything they've ever submitted.

Edit: Actually, nevermind, that would probably create a whole mess of power user problems. Maybe an upper maximum of 20 downvoats?

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[–] TheKillerRabbit 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I don't think it will create a mess with power users. It will incentivise users to keep making good content/comments so that they can get more downvotes.

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[–] LadyAerfalle 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Make it exponential rather than linear and it would be fine, no cap needed. 5 downvoats/day at 100 CCP, 10 downvoats/day at 1,000 CCP, and so on. Even someone with one million CCP would only have 25 downvoats per day then, and if that's not enough, you've probably got a bit too much hate and vitriol to be allowed any downvoats.

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[–] tame 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Thinking this through, a "power user" (you mean someone with a lot of CCP, right?) has shown (by having lots of CCP) that their views and aesthetics fairly closely match that of the community, as well as having a relatively high contribution rate. So by giving them more votes, you're probably not going to skew the upvote/downvote percentages by much. The only effect it'll have is increasing the average number of votes per comment.

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[–] Shitvoaterssay 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'd be interested in seeing a system where you got 1 downvote per 100 CCP and once you used it it was gone.

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[–] bob3333 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Downvoting because of racism IS downvoting because of disagreement.

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[–] Xenoprimate 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm two weeks late (sorry) but I agree- downvoats should really just be reserved for spam or poor-quality/inappropriate contributions.

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[–] DeadEnd 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

Yes, I really feel that this is a much better system. I was often discouraged from commenting in certain subs because I knew my comments would be effectively censored via downvotes.

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[–] Shhhhhhhhhh 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I've had the capability to down voat fire a few days now, haven't had a use for it yet.

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[–] TheKillerRabbit 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Preserve it; use it for actual shit content. We can't have people starting off downvoat brigades again.

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[–] Skeletor 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Just because you disagree you didn't Downvoat?!?!?

Thanks

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[–] Morbo [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

This is one of the best parts of Voat. After having privileges by default everywhere else and getting drowned out anyway, the limits in Voat make me more appreciative of my posting accomplishments and comments. I have become much more active in the site because I wanted to earn those privileges. I kind of think we need to make that an ongoing thing. Maybe like add some new requirements like continuing to earn CCP on a quarterly basis to keep our voating privileges. Maybe that would cause a lot of grief, but it could also encourage quality participation and weed out those who are just in it for the easy IKP. Sort of like a game I guess.

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[–] Fuckery 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

That's how reddit was originally. People would also jump on you if they saw the edit * without a proper notation on what the edit was in order to maintain the integrity of the conversation. Then that other site(Digg) fell and everything went to shit.

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[–] chags 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

You know, I'm seeing all these posts about the new wave of redditors, like if they were a threat. Well, aren't we all ex redditors? What will push the quality down is the number of users. We can try to reinforce the value of good content, comments and how pun threads and memes are lame. But some day, unfortunately, I believe that the ones trying to avoid Reddit style crap will have to hide in niche subs. I hope I'm wrong.

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[–] TheKillerRabbit 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

We're all Voaters. That unites us.

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[–] Sloth-Man 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

But... i like puns....

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[–] Joshme 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'm the same way; I love puns and generally really enjoy reading the great ones that arise. Fact is though that sometimes they distract from the actual discussion such as the one that has been fostering in this very thread. Sew we needle to just be more subtle with them and serge the helpful comments with the puns we love to spool the discussion further.

Seriously though, I do agree that they should be kept at a minimum. You can have fun with something and it still contribute.

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[–] tabernumse 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Even if people don't like puns, what do they hurt? I think the most detrimental thing about Reddit was the hivemind and circlejerk threads where everything that wasn't the most popular opinion was completely buried in downvotes.

I just want Voat to be a place for discussion and not using the downvote as a disagree button, I don't care about puns and memes. Downvote it if it's not the type of content you would like to see, but as long as the community encourages discussion I have nothing against the dank memes.

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[–] bestiaaurius 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm curious as to why you think that an increase in the number of people will result in a decrease in quality. The only reason I can think of is that it might draw in more people who are only interested in getting ccp.

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[–] chags 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I think this way because this is what I saw on Reddit. Maybe it's a biased view. But I believe that the more famous a site is, the more it'll attract users that come just for the lols. People generally want to fit in, so some of them start posting memes, and they don't know the place well, so they post everywhere. I think it's kinda a natural path. I'm not judging them, they have the right to like memes and post them. The disordered movement of a great number of people is probably what causes the problems. As I said, each one can reinforce what he thinks is good and adapt to the new reality if necessary.

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[–] Aschgrau 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Eh, I'll admit that I'm new here from reddit. Over there I just subscribed to smaller subreddits. Over here it seems most of them are small, they're easy to find.

Speaking of which, you have any recommendations?

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[–] iAMtheBelvedere 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

It's exciting coming on here and actively seeking out new discussions to take part in but I REALLY need an iOS app to make browsing easier.

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[–] TheKillerRabbit 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Be patient. As voat gets larger, I'm sure they will put out an app for you apple users.

I, on the other hand, am an ardent follower of the /v/pcmasterrace.

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[–] bestiaaurius 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I really liked the ./compact on reddit. Simple, responsive, and nice big buttons.

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[–] ThizzBoss 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That Voat App is going to get censored from the app store just like the 4chan and 8chan apps. You're living in a world controlled by jew media. Ditch the Jewpple phone and get an android unless you want to have to jailbreak your phone to see unrestricted content

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[–] iAMtheBelvedere 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Already Jailbroken. Is there a way I can use this to my advantage involving voat?

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[–] Tim_Honks 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

In my opinion, Voat is moslty Reddit refugees. Not all, but many. The karma-whores and the shit-posters will stay on Reddit for quite some time. They feed of the current subscriber base. If and when Reddit starts to die out, they will hold out as long as they can. The people who have loads of karma for original, quality posts will come over much faster. Many are likely already among us. This is because people like that want to preserve the nature of the site. Then, others hear about it, join in and the cycle begins over. It is like the South Park episode where Wal-Mart moves in and kills off the town's businesses. Then, everyone realizes Wal-mart is shit, so they try many times to kill it off. They are only successful by not shopping at Wal-Mart. Then, to replace the Wal-Mart once it dies, they start shopping at the local hardware store which grows and grows and takes over the town so they burn it down, and re-start the cycle by shopping at a local drug store and so on. Then, they finally realize that the problem is that they have to spread out and not focus on one store. The downside being that prices are not that low and the selection is limited, or in our case, the karma is not that high and the posts are limited; the upside is quality and a friendly small-shop feel.

I wandered off a little, but I think I brought it back

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[–] 1001408? 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

There are things I've been working on and planning to share on Reddit but after the last month I'm not so sure they deserve my work. Voat is home now.

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[–] Tim_Honks 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You and me both - I find myself submitting a lot more here. Not just because not everything has already been posted, nor only because I feel the community here is more open and would actually read what I post, but also because it is up to us to build up the site and kick start it with fresh content.

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[–] emandetrevni 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Brilliant analogy, but I don't think this is true for all society nor is it inevitable for vote.

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[–] Tim_Honks 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Not at all, but there is the distinct possibility. It's up to us...

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[–] TheKillerRabbit 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

We can but only with the current system of voting. The same system that incentivises good content/comment over shit ones since the average voat user only has so much votes to give. We also need to maintain our values by enforcing the rules while allowing ever opinion to be heard.

The next wave of users will definitely change things. But we must give them a friendly welcome and teach them how voat differs from that other site.

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[–] TheKillerRabbit 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

They still have a limited amount of votes per 24 hours. Everyone gets ccp/2 as votes. You, for example, have 42.

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[–] Imapopulistnow 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

At least Voat is creatively striving to manage the voting process in a way that keeps the site open and I would think most of us will becsupportive if they make future changes as necessary to maintain this.

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[–] bestiaaurius 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Wouldn't it be interesting if you could only get ccp which counted for comment voat numbers from people with more ccp than you? In my head that would stop someone just making a bunch of accounts to upvoat themselves...

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[–] Sodalurk 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Maybe make the barrier for upvoting higher relative to amount of users? It doesn't even have to be sitewide, like subverse mods should have the ability to set upvoat ccp requirements on their subs.

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[–] iAMtheBelvedere 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

That's what scares me the most! Corruption of power through the mass migration. We are going to have A LOT of new users in the coming weeks who will be unable to do their favorite thing...upvoat and downvoat. My fear is that @atko and co. bend to the demands of these new users

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[–] TheKillerRabbit 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

They will need to learn that the vote is a privilege here, not a right. I'm sure @atko won't cave.

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[–] BART_SIMPSON 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I never really encountered all the shittiness of the defaults because I unsubbed years ago. There are a lot of great discussion based communities on reddit and excellent content creators too. I'm sure a lot of those people will make the switch soon enough.

I think we should give this site a chance to grow before we start the talk of Voats Eternal September.

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[–] Yub 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Exactly. It's reddits smaller subs that will keep it alive longer than Digg. There is still tons of great content over there that hasn't made the leap to Voat yet. If reddit was limited to the defaults, I would have left years ago.

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