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[–] SealSmasher 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

loads of users are shills, and you'll eventually learn to spot them by things they do and don't do.

  • talk about politics and only politics, never normal things. unless they post fluff to "appear more human".
  • in constant rage mode all the time, don't understand sarcasm or satire. always serious.
  • will REFUSE to entertain other points of view. they're paid to push their script, and their script only. yes they will get into obvious shill arguments with each other.
  • humans have different moods, understand sarcasm, will entertain new ideas, and will try different things.

look for humans.


that's another point about shills actually, they always deflect and accuse and fling poo and ad hominems but never address the issues. they deny, deny, deny. they're commanded and paid to. they'll call YOU a shill, that's a red flag, they're only allowed to push particular key points, and they could be wearing a red hat on camera and saying they have a green hat and calling you names.

another thing about shills is, they don't leave on their own. they have to be kicked and banned, and then they'll try to come back.

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[–] Justaddcoffee 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yep, I’ve often seen people estimate that half of a number of subvoats are comprised of shills. Since voat is a free speech site the shills come here in force in an attempt to stifle free speech.

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[–] Duion [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That alone is not proof enough that those shills exist, since I met regular people who talk about politics all the time and are in rage as they both go hand in hand. Sure those people are rare, but they exist. So you could watch out for the ratio of people and how extremist they are, but this alone will not give you solid proof, it is more like a hint.

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[–] SealSmasher 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

well I din't say it was perfect, humans do fall for that bs, i fell for that shit and I feel dumb every time i think about it. just stick around a while, get to know who's behind the usernames, and see who you can really CONVERSE with. shills act like chatbots with severe memory damage, and they get disproportionately angry about things humans don't care about. they'll also blatantly ignore you when you ask them personal questions.

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[–] Battlefat 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

We have been forced to this little corner of the internet and most feel too frightened to participate lest they ‘say something wrong.’ It is akin to the old saying I would rather die on my feet than live my entire life on my knees. It’s hard to have a conversation with those cowering in fear, but at least you are now standing up and looking around for those who will stand with you

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[–] SealSmasher 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

getting tons of hate comments isn't a big deal, i dont understand why people are afraid of being called a faggot by some fat angry shill.

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[–] Battlefat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Not that I encourage it, but I thrive on others getting riled up enough to elicit a reaction. It means people still feel, and aren’t numb enough to just let it go. If anything I say makes a person let go of their apathy enough to say something to me, be it a compliment or a fuck you, is a win for humanity. No one wants to live alone forever, and those that do, die alone to rot in place

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[–] Duion [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yes, I think that is a big factor. The irony is, people are hiding from the wrong ones, as they are easily revealing themselves already through the use of modern technology to the wrong people anyway.

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[–] Battlefat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Such is life - we could all just toss our computers and mobiles in a pile and start over in real life, but I think that type of hard reset would be forced before it became a willful collective decision. So here we are and this is what we have, but just as it isn’t hell, neither is it heaven

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[–] dunklederf 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

most people are lurkers over posters.

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[–] x13 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I lurked well over a full year before my initial account back in anceint times when voat was even more edgy as a possible FBI honeypot.

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[–] dunklederf 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

okay 'member for 2 days'

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[–] Duion [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That is the case everywhere, but I feel like here it is worse.

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[–] dunklederf 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

yea, there lurker vs poster-ratio is more biased towards the lurker-side here.

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[–] ItsBad 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Do you mean shadowbanned? There are probably lots of lurkers. Also there could be accounts that shills created but aren't going to be used until voat becomes bigger. Sleeper/Submarine accounts.

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[–] Duion [S] 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Yes like shadowbanned and no I mean the platform as a whole as well as inside the platform, since it uses the same censorship friendly system reddit uses.

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[–] james780 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

lots of lurkers

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[–] Duion [S] 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

How you know those lurkers exist?

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[–] x13 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

FUN FACT : Voat does not have a lot of active participants yet. It will change and grow, but the c# code voat is written on probably could not take a 40 fold sudden increase. Maybe if it was node.js and using various off the shelf javascript packages, and FuelDB all ram cache with ssd slave stores. It may be hard to instantly scale voat to a tenth of reddit size, but it will happen one day.

As for hellbanned (shadowbanned) I tested that theory out of paranoia from 10 places around the world once and other than minor propagation delay of up to 45 seconds, all of voat is honest except the porn subreddits with fully clothed teen females. Those are stub boards and programmatically killed off but graves left online on voat for some form of jailbait honeypot or something.

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[–] Duion [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I think it is a big logical fallacy to think something is not popular, because it is poorly programmed etc, most people cannot even understand what those words mean and even out of those few who can understand those words, there is only a small percentage who can tell the difference between good and bad design.

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[–] x13 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I never criticized any aspect of design. Designing for 40 times more users creates tradeoffs you would probably not like. All i said was that the current design in C# probably would NOT take a 40x increase of users over night.

I never implied its code limits CURRENT popularity. Why are you claiming that.

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[–] SealSmasher 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

that's really interesting, you should make a post where you expand on this.

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[–] x13 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Which aspect? Ram based node database or clothed teens ? :

http://www.zbrushcentral.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=206877

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[–] Battlefat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I’m really glad you answered this more specifically in the way @Duion asked because I think I needed to hear it too even if I don’t really understand it. I just wanted to reassure him that we aren’t all zombie bots

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[–] RedditIsTheBest111 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Sometimes I just don't feel like commenting. Good luck meeting who you are searching for.

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[–] lemon11 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

There are many threads filled with new people making top-level comments and not actually participating in discussions. It's loud, lonely, and boring in there. I mostly avoid them, and maybe others do like me, so that ends up being all there are in some subverses, looking very much like bot-filled Eddit.