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[–] Eualos 1 points 24 points (+25|-1) ago 

They succeed by appealing to emotions without carrying about anything relating to facts. We need to get better at arguing with emotion if you want to beat them at their own game

[–] Weasel_Soup 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I think we need to become better at using "dead syrian child" tactics. Liberals only care about sob stories. They are like women.

[–] Eualos 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

A lot of them are women

[–] TheSeer 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

The mistake is thinking we can convince leftists of anything. The only thing we can do is show them that ultimately they will be forced to use violence to force the compliance of conservatives in their schemes (which is what government is, the sanctioned use of violence), and that even that will only result in more violence.

That there is no such thing as "the time for debate is over", as Dan Harmon tried to incite the crowd into believing, in that hyperbolic video of his.

[–] oddjob 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

This is true. You won't reach every liberal with facts. Also, you have to keep in mind that liberals don't like to see victims in the world. By their logic, anyone who's life sucks is a victim, and you can't have a victim without an oppressor. So they want to go after the oppressors in society. This really isn't all that different from a lot of the people on here, its just who do they see as victims of society. The left will say poor people of non-whites in America are victims while some on the right will say that unborn babies or hard working whites are the victims. Then you look around to see who has it better and deduce that they only have it better because they are in fact the oppressor. This is where their logic falls apart and no longer makes sense and they are arguing on emotion. At this point, facts no longer matter. They will simply make up their own facts because they think that the oppressor has so much power that they are able to hide evidence of their oppressing activities from the general public and the facts that people quote against them are not accurate.

You also have to keep in mind that people don't like to feel stupid, and being told that they are wrong often feels like a personal attack.

[–] kneo24 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

When talking about foreign invaders (illegal aliens), when "progressives" try to paint me as some uncaring, unfeeling monster, I point out that I'm arguing for the legal residents who already exist in the country. That they need to take priority first and we need to ensure we're in a good place before we throw ourselves into a scenario where we take on too much by giving away too much aid freely. The ones who aren't really poisoned at least pause and consider what you're saying. I sometimes take it a step further and question why they don't care about the existing people in the country and why aren't they thinking about them with all of the help that they need, the very help that they virtue signal about. Why are these other people so much more important?

Typically they have nothing to say in response.

[–] Doglegwarrior 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I dont understand how they dont understand that literaly no other country out side of western countries in any way do anything for noncitizen foriegn invaders imagine me going to china and crossing the border snd then demanding they give me a day in court! Lol or russia... thry will give me multiple days in prison with no fucking rights which i shouldnt have.. i didnt pay taxes to their goverment i didnt fight in warz for them i didnt take a fucking oath i am a foriegn invader pure and simple and would expect to be treated accorngly.

[–] fuckmyreddit 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

What I say when talking about illegal foreign invaders is something like, "I really think we should help them, but we should help them in their own country. Why should they have to leave their homes? Their families? It's terrible."

Edit: It works because its true!

I just thought of something. Do they still have The Peace Corps? If they do, maybe we can turn it around and get the crybabies to want to join the Peace Corps and to stop yammering in our faces about bullshit. I'll look it up. It's a great way to virtue signal I'll bet. EDIT: YES YES YES YES YES, THEY STILL HAVE IT. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT JFK STARTED?

THIS MIGHT WORK. AT the very least it will change the subject to common ground that we can talk about without losing our minds !!!

SORRY FOR THE SHOUTING. I'M OLD. I'M A FEMALE! MIGHT BE WORTH TRYING. I MIGHT START TALKING ABOUT HOW I WISH I COULD JOIN THE PEACE CORPS. (I think it was a way to dodge the draft when my friends were too stupid to get into college in the 70s.)

https://www.peacecorps.gov/

It's a much better way to virtue signal than to bike around Afghanistan! And it might actually do some good on the part of the POCS and the Crybabies.

Ps. Holy shit. Idiots who majored in Songs of Oppression of the Indigenous Malawi Basket Weavers or Community Organizing for Transgenders in Saudi Arabia might also be able to have their student loans forgiven! https://www.peacecorps.gov/volunteer/benefits/student-loan-information/

Can we use the idea of helping invaders in their own countries to our advantage. Is this an example of the proverbial win-win? Is there anyone on Voat who's not a bot?

*** @kneo24 Your answer about helping our own is anther great way to handle the issue. But WE NEED TO TAKE IT FURTHER! We need to give them images (mental or literal) of crying, hungry brown American kids in the ghetto. We need to use their tactics. OP is spot on!

UPDATE: The shills are pushing this off the front page. Leave any comment to bump it back up. THIS MAY BE THE MOST IMPORTANT CONVO OF THE WEEK! Give more ideas. THERE ARE NO BAD IDEAS! This is important.

[–] McFucklet [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I didn't think about the emotion part... That's a really great point

[–] Eualos 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

If you want to argue with a child it's better to think about how a child thinks so you can reach them the most effectively