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[–] telleveryoneyouknow 1 points 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

Resto-mod classics are the only way to go. $5000 frame and chassis, $5000 motor, $5000 interior refurbishing, $5000 in labor for highly technical tasks

$20,000 in pure American non tracked perfection - with all new components, parts, and interior

And it’s fun as hell. I helped my friend build a 69 Eleanor and 69 camaro and I’m looking at an old school Pontiac or Oldsmobile as we speak.

Plus they look dope as fuck and are actually reliable

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[–] relevantinfoman 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I've always been a fan of these myself.

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[–] IDintDoNuthin 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Add another $20k for labor

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[–] r3vamp3d 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I've been shopping for a new car, for almost a year, and it fucking sucks. I can get a 10 year old model with 100k miles for about 65-75% of a CPO, and a CPO for about 80-90% of a new model.

I don't want all the electronics because one fails tends to take out everything, plus I don't want tracking so I don't want gps built in, not like built in navigation is better than any cell phone or gps unit.

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[–] bob3333 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Resto-mod classics are the only way to go.

Do they make one that gets >60 mpg? Otherwise it's a deal-breaker.

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[–] ShowMeYourKitties 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If you want gas mileage and simplicity then get a motorcycle.

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[–] Cavemandrums 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Nothing gets better than 60mpg that you would want to drive on the highway in The Untied States everyday. You can definitely get an old car to get 30mpg highway if that's what you built it for.

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[–] theshopper 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Internet physicist here, what about a faraday cage around the transmitter/receiver?

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[–] BLOODandHONOUR [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Ah that’s a good idea too. After disabling the antenna. Copper mesh maybe?

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[–] kalgon 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Potential insurance clause rendering it null and void if you do that comes to mind

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[–] acmecoyote 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

My employer uses Telogis? {not sure on the spelling} We used to put aluminum foil over the windshield mounted transceiver. It made it look like were all over the place. Now the transceiver is internal :(

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[–] bob3333 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You need a GPS jammer that is VERY low power and just place it next to the antenna. It could be so low power that it doesn't affect a GPS device 5 feet away.

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[–] lepercon 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Buy old used vehicles.

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[–] BLOODandHONOUR [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Well yeah that seems like the only option. The problem is I don't like wondering if my wife will break down somewhere at any second.

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[–] strange_69 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

I have had good luck with used rental cars. Before you have a knee jerk, "They are driven badly." remember they get regular maintenance and oil changes. When you go on the lot, you will see several cars of the same year and model. They will all have approx the same mileage. I know that this will sound weird but, stay away from the one with the low mileage. It has been in the shop the most and may be a lemon.

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[–] slwsnowman40 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Estate sales. You could get a really low mileage car with a lot of life in it.

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[–] lepercon 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

You can still find low mileage older cars.

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[–] weezkitty 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

A new car can break down too. A well cared for used car should be in the middle of the bathtub curve

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[–] v0a7 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Used vehicles from law enforcement. The systems will be disabled or not installed in the first place. Most will have a lot of hours on the engine, so be prepared for engine work / replacement.

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[–] meowmix56 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yeah but on the other hand fleet maintenance goes a long way.

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[–] v0a7 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

they do, but barring heavy physical damage, most parts can be replaced.

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[–] BLOODandHONOUR [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That’s a good idea

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[–] v0a7 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Sometimes you can find new production overrun that was not bought by a police department. Rare, but is out there.

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[–] acmecoyote 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

1997 Jeep Cherokee. 380,000 miles. needs a part now and then,like every 6 months Drives 50 miles each way everyday. No tracking. Looks like a dumpster,rides like an Amish buggy,but I love it!

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[–] LordOfTheRope 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Looks like a dumpster

At least it definitely won't be stolen. I wouldn't be surprised if rust paint jobs are a thing.

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[–] prairie 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You wouldn't download a dumpster...

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[–] acmecoyote 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's Forrest green and the topcoat is slowly flaking off. So it is called "Pops dumpster" by my kids and grand kids. Lol

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[–] acmecoyote 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's my way of hiding my vast wealth! /s

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[–] bob3333 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That's about the same as my daily drive. I use $22 in gas a week. How about you?

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[–] acmecoyote 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Right around $50. Not horrible. We have some of the highest gas prices here in PA . So cost on a weeks travel is directly affected by where you're doing the driving! Lucky for me I live a very close to the Maryland line where gas is $.30 less per gallon and has no additives that really do affect your mileage. I get 45 miles more per tank from MD gas.We also have a $5.00 additional fee for registration for fixing the roads we already pay to have fixed via high taxes on our fuels, They even added it to motorcycles. Bastards!

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[–] Rellik88 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Own a 96 and a 93 XJ. Easy to work on and parts are cheap!

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[–] acmecoyote 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

"Youpull"!! Worth the time. I upgraded the alternator to 120 amps last time it needed one. Much brighter lights. Gotta do some grinding on the original mounts,but worth the effort.

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[–] BLOODandHONOUR [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Thats awesome!

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[–] 14000_rpm_once 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

A good ecm/vehicle tuner can disable any code a vehicle would spit out. I've seen it done with everything from o2 sensor deletes to seat belt removal. Just remove the tracking equipment/cut the wires/remove the antenna and then tune the car to permanently remove the check engine light for the code.

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[–] autoencoder 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What such "ECM" or "vehicle tuners" do you recommend? Where have you seen it done?

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[–] 14000_rpm_once 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

https://www.hptuners.com/ is a good place to start. Most performance shops are able to tune vehicles, its pretty simple to do a basic tune. Some companies will sell you an interface cable and then email you a file to upload to your car. Of course this may cause your car to fail any annual smog inspection, depending on what parameters were altered by the tuner.

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[–] thelma 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

When you buy the car, insure that you own the software too in the contract. Then you can disable this w/o affecting anything else.

Or get your wife one of these top-o-da-line samwich supply getters:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/26-Schwinn-Meridian-Adult-Tricycle-Cherry/12016722?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&adid=22222222227000130534&wl0=&wl1=s&wl2=c&wl3=40334658992&wl4=pla-78294328952&wl5=9003301&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=online&wl12=12016722&wl13=&veh=sem

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[–] BLOODandHONOUR [S] 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

In the newer cars like for example- GM- disabling the tracking system throws an engine code and illuminates the engine light while also permanently disabling bluetooth.

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[–] fellowWhiteGuy 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

nooo, not the bluetooth, what we going to do without black mumbling poetry

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[–] thelma 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I think you can live w/o fucking bluetooth for a few minutes.

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[–] bob3333 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Just get a GPS jammer that's very low power and place it next to the antenna of the car's tracking system.

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[–] autoencoder 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Has anyone buying a car ever owned the software to the tracking device in it as well? If so, send me a PM.

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[–] AmaleksHairyAss 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

*ensure

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[–] clamhurt_legbeard 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Wrong.

Both are correct for this meaning.

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[–] alele-opathic 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If you are even reasonably handy, I'd suggest buying a car old enough that the ECM has been reverse engineered, but not so old your wife find it uncomfortable (e.g. < 2012 or so). The key is to remember that cars have no monolithic 'computer'; everything on the car is a module (here, a smaller self-contained device [sometimes a computer] that talks to the rest of the car on a serial bus using the CAN protocol. This is almost ad absurdum since the early 2000s, e.g. the IMMO and theft protection are usually separate modules. If the ECM and its protocols are understood, you can uninstall and remove modules. Many modules MUST be uninstalled before removal (e.g. Onstar) or it breaks other things on the car.

I have no experience with Ford and Daimler-Chrysler, but GMs use a tool called a Tech2. The originals are a few grand, but cheap chinese knockoffs can be had for around $500. Be aware that sometimes you need adapters/additional interfaces for GM family cars that aren't GM (e.g. the CANDI adapter for the Saabs). If you look around the web, you'll find plenty of threads on which chinese knockoffs are reliable and which aren't. You will also need the security codes to play with restricted sections, but these are also easily found for older vehicles.

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