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I think, at this point a lot of people run out of upvoats for the day. In a few days once every user has 20 ccp and more have 100 ccp the posts should be getting more voats in general . Then again this is just my theory and I have no way to back this up because I wasn't around for the great migration from Digg. I'm just sitting back and watching the show
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I run out of upvoats way to quickly, I am always generously giving them away to any quality post or comment. Slowly but surely your theory will be accepted and proven. Maybe a bonus upvoats day is in order to get all the new users upvoating to thier hearts desires.
You're right ... imaginary upvoat for you. (click) I think they should remove the upvote limit. I really don't understand how it helps, and actually think it will only hinder and drive people away.
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Do you have any examples? At least before the fattening and AMAgeddon, Atko was very active in /v/ideasforvoat and listened all the time. If there were good ideas being shot down immediately, it was probably due to them having been thought up and posted before dozens of times (e.g. ability to hide comments, filter posts, not having the voting limit etc.).
As I only lurked on reddit, I've decided to take a new approach on Voat and comment as much as I can. In /v/gaming I was shot down for suggesting that people don't abbreviate so much. /r/gaming loves to abbreviate everything and I believe It's only served to alienate people who are out of the loop as well as create snobs. On /v/askvoat, I brought up my opinion that Voat should create a mission statement in order to bind us together and differentiate itself from Reddit. Again, shot down by people who thought I was being an asshole and stepping on their turf.
Truth be told, I'm disappointed at the negativity here. I really want to post here without criticism and name calling, but people rather bring that Reddit mentality over here. On the gaming subverse someone even downvoated me. You can blame it on this place being new and full of Redditors, but I really did hope to have a different experience here. There was a reason I only lurked on Reddit. Screw me for actually participating for a change.
Eh I don't know. Maybe your ideas were crap. That's just the nature of free speech. You think it sounds nice and all, until you get the short end of the stick and suddenly it's negative. That's when people start censoring shit; because they're controlling the flow of what they believe is good, and what they believe is bad. You gotta accept both with free speech. Obviously most people didn't like your ideas.
Honestly I do as well. Using abbreviations in gaming does make you feel exclusive and unique. Think of it as a group of friends. You all have your own inside jokes and history together, and suddenly a new guy comes in and ruins the flow. That's why you get lurkers: people who spectate conversations because they don't want that negative feeling. Instead, try to assimilate into the group otherwise. Make small contributions, sit back, and learn. Once you've learned the abbreviations you can start using them and conversing, and nobody will feel as if you're intruding. Different communities and cultures hold different values, and if you want to join them, you also have to follow their values. That's why people are seen as outsiders, they just don't fit in.
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The mission statement idea has been mentioned often and is being worked on by /u/mumberthrax here http://voat.co/v/VoatersAgreement. What you describe on /v/gaming is contrary to my experience from at least before the AMAgeddon, but then I have never been to /v/gaming. Either way, I hope it stops.
Both of your examples are about dictating to others what they should and shouldn't do.
Given that generally people are tired of being told how to interact on the internet, I would expect a negative response to those suggestions.
Jargon and similar are part of the ways each group maintains cohesion and self identity. Given that gamers has been 'invaded' repeatedly by 'outsiders' who then go on to tell them how to be gamers, it would be natural at this point to see resistance.
I agree that the abbreviations make it hard for new readers to join in, but I'm also of the mind that part of the process of becoming a participant in the group is learning all the things that make the group work.
If there is an action or behavior you don't want to perpetuate, simply avoid doing it in your own actions. Policing how others use the internet is the very reason for the prolonged shitstorms that have been happening recently.
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No from me. I am here for free speech and if people want to hate me for my views or physical persona I'm okay with that. I would rather liberty to safety.
The comment point system is problematic for sure, it would work on a fully developed site, but right now voat is just too small to have a hard limit on upvoats until you get enough upvoats can cause obvious problems.
It's just hard to get enough Upvoats to make it past the new page. I feel that you only have a certain amount of time before you lost your chance to get any attention.
To be honest, people with decent ideas are giving them way too aggressively. I can't tell you how many times I don't upvote an idea because the title is caps, or ends in "!?!?!?!?", or the description is someone being way too over the top about it. People are giving ideas way too aggressively, it's super deterring, and it doesn't make me want to look at their posts.
I don't know about not getting heard, but I get a good/better vibe so far. I posted on here and on Reddit the same exact question, On Reddit more than half the responses were "masturbate" and on here not one person said that.
I like the way the voating on here works so far, you have to get involved to be able to voat and so not everyone can downvoat yet. We'll have to see how it turns out later, but it's a new site so you can't expect everything to be perfect and everyone to listen to your ideas. They probably have their own good ideas and are still implementing them and will adjust accordingly
I also like how people are forced to communicate. Less lurkers = more conversation and content. It'll be bumpy at first, but things will smooth out over the next couple months.
I'm not 100% sure (only been a member for two days), but from what I understand, you need 100 CCP to be able to downvoat. I'm guessing you only get a certain amount of downvoats like you do upvoats but I'm not sure how many you get
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[–] DocNola 0 points 9 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago
I think, at this point a lot of people run out of upvoats for the day. In a few days once every user has 20 ccp and more have 100 ccp the posts should be getting more voats in general . Then again this is just my theory and I have no way to back this up because I wasn't around for the great migration from Digg. I'm just sitting back and watching the show
[–] Greyseeker 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago (edited ago)
I run out of upvoats way to quickly, I am always generously giving them away to any quality post or comment. Slowly but surely your theory will be accepted and proven. Maybe a bonus upvoats day is in order to get all the new users upvoating to thier hearts desires.
[–] A_Scanner_Darkly 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I agree with your post and I would upvoat it if I had enough ccp.
[–] Pissed-Off-Panda 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
You're right ... imaginary upvoat for you. (click) I think they should remove the upvote limit. I really don't understand how it helps, and actually think it will only hinder and drive people away.
[–] AnneDank 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I think it encourages users to participate.
[–] eatinginternet ago
Gotta get those cocaine credit points.
[–] Stoic 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago (edited ago)
Do you have any examples? At least before the fattening and AMAgeddon, Atko was very active in /v/ideasforvoat and listened all the time. If there were good ideas being shot down immediately, it was probably due to them having been thought up and posted before dozens of times (e.g. ability to hide comments, filter posts, not having the voting limit etc.).
[–] kick_his_ass_sebas [S] 1 point 4 points 5 points (+5|-1) ago (edited ago)
As I only lurked on reddit, I've decided to take a new approach on Voat and comment as much as I can. In /v/gaming I was shot down for suggesting that people don't abbreviate so much. /r/gaming loves to abbreviate everything and I believe It's only served to alienate people who are out of the loop as well as create snobs. On /v/askvoat, I brought up my opinion that Voat should create a mission statement in order to bind us together and differentiate itself from Reddit. Again, shot down by people who thought I was being an asshole and stepping on their turf.
Truth be told, I'm disappointed at the negativity here. I really want to post here without criticism and name calling, but people rather bring that Reddit mentality over here. On the gaming subverse someone even downvoated me. You can blame it on this place being new and full of Redditors, but I really did hope to have a different experience here. There was a reason I only lurked on Reddit. Screw me for actually participating for a change.
[–] eatinginternet 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
Eh I don't know. Maybe your ideas were crap. That's just the nature of free speech. You think it sounds nice and all, until you get the short end of the stick and suddenly it's negative. That's when people start censoring shit; because they're controlling the flow of what they believe is good, and what they believe is bad. You gotta accept both with free speech. Obviously most people didn't like your ideas.
Honestly I do as well. Using abbreviations in gaming does make you feel exclusive and unique. Think of it as a group of friends. You all have your own inside jokes and history together, and suddenly a new guy comes in and ruins the flow. That's why you get lurkers: people who spectate conversations because they don't want that negative feeling. Instead, try to assimilate into the group otherwise. Make small contributions, sit back, and learn. Once you've learned the abbreviations you can start using them and conversing, and nobody will feel as if you're intruding. Different communities and cultures hold different values, and if you want to join them, you also have to follow their values. That's why people are seen as outsiders, they just don't fit in.
Or at least, that's the way I've seen it.
[–] Stoic 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago (edited ago)
The mission statement idea has been mentioned often and is being worked on by /u/mumberthrax here http://voat.co/v/VoatersAgreement. What you describe on /v/gaming is contrary to my experience from at least before the AMAgeddon, but then I have never been to /v/gaming. Either way, I hope it stops.
[–] GreenEggsAndHamible 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
It's not redditors that are your problem, its people.
[–] VictorSteinerDavion 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Both of your examples are about dictating to others what they should and shouldn't do.
Given that generally people are tired of being told how to interact on the internet, I would expect a negative response to those suggestions.
Jargon and similar are part of the ways each group maintains cohesion and self identity. Given that gamers has been 'invaded' repeatedly by 'outsiders' who then go on to tell them how to be gamers, it would be natural at this point to see resistance.
I agree that the abbreviations make it hard for new readers to join in, but I'm also of the mind that part of the process of becoming a participant in the group is learning all the things that make the group work.
If there is an action or behavior you don't want to perpetuate, simply avoid doing it in your own actions. Policing how others use the internet is the very reason for the prolonged shitstorms that have been happening recently.
[–] Zip 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago (edited ago)
No from me. I am here for free speech and if people want to hate me for my views or physical persona I'm okay with that. I would rather liberty to safety.
[–] kick_his_ass_sebas [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
completely agree with you Zip
[–] eatinginternet 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Damn straight.
[–] Steven_Hawking 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
The comment point system is problematic for sure, it would work on a fully developed site, but right now voat is just too small to have a hard limit on upvoats until you get enough upvoats can cause obvious problems.
[–] PearPeesure 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
It's just hard to get enough Upvoats to make it past the new page. I feel that you only have a certain amount of time before you lost your chance to get any attention.
[–] 699535? 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
To be honest, people with decent ideas are giving them way too aggressively. I can't tell you how many times I don't upvote an idea because the title is caps, or ends in "!?!?!?!?", or the description is someone being way too over the top about it. People are giving ideas way too aggressively, it's super deterring, and it doesn't make me want to look at their posts.
[–] SuperDuperGoku 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I don't know about not getting heard, but I get a good/better vibe so far. I posted on here and on Reddit the same exact question, On Reddit more than half the responses were "masturbate" and on here not one person said that.
I like the way the voating on here works so far, you have to get involved to be able to voat and so not everyone can downvoat yet. We'll have to see how it turns out later, but it's a new site so you can't expect everything to be perfect and everyone to listen to your ideas. They probably have their own good ideas and are still implementing them and will adjust accordingly
[–] eatinginternet 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I also like how people are forced to communicate. Less lurkers = more conversation and content. It'll be bumpy at first, but things will smooth out over the next couple months.
[–] kick_his_ass_sebas [S] ago (edited ago)
Can you explain to me how downvoating works? Isn't it a trade off system? Like you get 1 downvoat per 100 upvoats?
[–] SuperDuperGoku 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I'm not 100% sure (only been a member for two days), but from what I understand, you need 100 CCP to be able to downvoat. I'm guessing you only get a certain amount of downvoats like you do upvoats but I'm not sure how many you get
[–] SwimmingInAFishbowl ago
Nope. Opposite.