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[–] elitch2 3 points 15 points (+18|-3) ago 

The church is a fucking joke these days. This fucking anti-pope is trying to ruin it forever.

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[–] YashinNashi 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago  (edited ago)

These days? the second there is a group of leaders making rules a politician will rise to the top and corrupt it.

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[–] badruns 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

a (((politician))) ?

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[–] DietCokehead1 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

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[–] welcome_to_voat 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

This is what you get for making a spic the pope!

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[–] elitch2 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Th Conclave of Cardinals chooses the pope, not the congregation.

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[–] BordelonLoop 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

commie spic

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[–] Hackerman 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

the new pope is a spic? seriously? you mean like, from spain? 'cause that's not what i know to be a spic. people from Spain are just whites who happen to speak Spanish as their native tongue, not fucking... beaners

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[–] Thisismyvoatusername 5 points 13 points (+18|-5) ago 

Because the Pope is just a man and is temporal. The Church is everlasting and the instrument of God on Earth. You don't have to like the Pope or think he acts correctly to continue to support the Church. I'm not Catholic, but I think a lot of people fail to understand the nature of it as an institution distinct from the people within it. A bad Pope does not set up the extreme crisis for Catholics which your question seems to presume.

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[–] we_kill_creativity 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

But The Church choose him as pope, so isn't that reflection of the character of The Church?

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[–] Thisismyvoatusername 3 points 4 points (+7|-3) ago 

No. He was chosen by the college of cardinals. They may be as fallible as the pope. After all, the entire basis of the faith is that all men have original sin and are incapable of being sin free. Even leaving sin aside, people can just be plain stupid and make mistakes. So the larger trust is that the underlying message of God is true and over time the Church is correct. That doesn't mean the current Pope is any better a person than Leo X or his children were.

Now, to be honest, I doubt many Catholics are actually learned enough in the Bible to draw lessons from it without being told by their priest to do so, but the Old Testament is chock full of people "favored of God" or who were kings and such who weren't necessarily great people. Part of the issue is that God's plan is his plan and doesn't necessarily make sense from a person's perspective. So having a bad Pope could also be understood and reconciled with still respecting the Church by understanding even a bad Pope to be part of his plan.

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[–] lawlerskehts 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This is like saying that the United States of America, and every patriot within it, is shit. We are fighting though a longstanding corrupt establishment that is currently subverting our values.

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[–] smokratez 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

The pope is a satanist. You're some retard atheist who is glad he is destroying the belief in God.

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[–] 11184447? 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Explain

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[–] Thisismyvoatusername 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Actually I am a Protestant. I was raised as an Arminian and continue to be one but I'd be lying if I said I don't struggle with passages supporting Calvinism.

I just think a lot of people do not understand Catholics very well. It really isn't that strange for them to continue to support the Church regardless of the Pope. You don't necessarily stop eating at a restaurant you like just because the head chef may be an ass. (An admittedly weak analogy, but I just came up with it in a hurry.)

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[–] Tallest_Skil 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

HERETIC HERETIC HERETIC. The official papal doctrine is that the pope is Jesus Christ in the flesh.

*please note that it is catholicism which is the heresy; the first three words in the above are a joke

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[–] Fagtardicus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

(((The Church))) is not everlasting nor is it the instrument of the god of the bible

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[–] Thisismyvoatusername 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What it is in truth is immaterial. The question is why Catholics support it even in the face of a bad Pope. The answer is that they believe it is everlasting and the instrument of the God of the Bible.

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[–] unclejimbo 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

The disconnect between the average Catholic and the Pope is so vast that your question is like asking a Jamaican why they still support the Queen.

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[–] con77 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

The Pope is preparing the way for the rise of the antichrist. His insane approval of the muslim invasion is a betrayal.

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[–] uvulectomy 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Former Catholic here...

Part of Catholic dogma is that the Pope is infallible in matters of scripture. Never mind that no man is infallible in anything, that's the dogma.

Of course there are a shitload of liberal Catholics who openly ignore that when it's convenient. Like (as another goat pointed out) when Benedict stated that homosexuality is a sin. Per the dogma of papal infallibility, that should settle the matter permanently for all Catholics. But there are those who think that's just his opinion.

Contrast that with the things Francis says, which those same people take as dictated by God himself for Francis to speak.

Now there's no actual doctrine that says Catholics HAVE to believe the Pope to be infallible. But (IMO) they need to at least pick one or the other. He's either always right on scriptural matters, or he's always just giving his opinion.

tl;dr - The answer is "because this Pope toes the liberal agenda."

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[–] Alex_Jones 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Just asking, why did you leave?

The pope, and councils, are only "infallible" on certian dogmatic issues. If these people speak politically or of their view in the world it is not spiritual.

https://www.catholic.com/tract/papal-infallibility

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[–] SChalice 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

tl;dr - The answer is "because this Pope cares about people."

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[–] MillstoneNecklace 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Ah yes, the "have you stopped beating your wife" question.

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[–] 6AL-4V 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

Catholics don't support the pope dummy. There is a big difference between Roman Catholic and Catholics even that is split into different denominations. From greek orthodox or eastern orthodox. It has been know since the 15th century with Luther that the Roman Catholic church is looking for control. It's not a real seceret.

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[–] 11173174? 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

luther was right

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[–] DietCokehead1 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

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[–] Beast-mode-freak 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

They have to choose one or the other. The church, or the pope.

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[–] CompletelySatanic 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Errrr you missed out God.

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[–] Beast-mode-freak 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

The church is synonymous with god in this context.

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