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[–] hangry 1 points 40 points (+41|-1) ago 

It's about time voat bans free speech posters for the good of all.

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[–] Kleyno 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago 

SJWs would think you are being serious though. They do not understand irony.

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[–] hangry 1 points 30 points (+31|-1) ago 

That's why their clothes are always wrinkled!

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[–] im_the_dude_man 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Well it's not reeaalll free speech, that hasn't been tried. /s

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[–] TheBuddha 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Surprisingly, we have a number of people who don't support free speech and they post on Voat. I am not sure how they found the place, or what they expect. Voat has a number of authoritarians.

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[–] hangry 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You mean like the controlling mod fuckers who ban you from their sub when you've never posted in their sub?

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[–] [deleted] 23 points 28 points (+51|-23) ago 

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[–] BlackGrapeDrank 9 points 55 points (+64|-9) ago 

nigger faggot, perhaps it's time to draw a conclusion between a forum that actually has free speech and the fact that people have opinions of your opinion.

cry baby "wahhhh my opinions aren't liked it's the system wahhhh"

so what are we supposed to start an opinion voat diversity program and redistribute upvoats for less privelaged opinions because of systemic opinionism

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[–] Gowdy 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

tippity toppest kek

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[–] Cant_Call_It 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Holy shit, how did you sum it up so beautifully?

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[–] Dr_Shekel_Nigger 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I think the guy is free to have an opinion, even if it isn’t favorable of voat.

But the reason I really wanted to reply to you was because of your name. Awesome name!@BlackGrapeDrank

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[–] xenoPsychologist 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

the voting system isnt perfect, but you certainly dont have to have the popular opinion or be part of the hive mind to be successful around here.

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[–] go1dfish 4 points 9 points (+13|-4) ago 

If you start posting opinions against the hive mind you're going to have a bad time here. You have to suck up for points to be able to actually speak your mind.

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[–] Crensch 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

There was a time when anti-Jew was the unpopular opinion here. Well, at the very least, saying there's no good reason to believe the Holocaust happened was unpopular.

Yet I somehow survived, despite these "circle jerk" faggots claiming it's impossible.

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[–] SquarebobSpongebutt 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Free speech does not include the right to be heard. It sucks when it happens, but at least you can say what you want without it being removed completely. People might downvoat you but they at least read it.

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[–] supercommunist 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

This is the same type of thinking that gives you "Free speech does not mean freedom from consequences".

You have a freedom to not listen to me. But you shouldn't have the freedom to stop others from listening to me. Which is exactly what the downvote button does.

That voat gives it to power users and not moderators is a step in the right direction, but it's still a bad system.

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[–] 22jam22 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Maybe your opinion is just shit.. If every where you go people are assholes maybe you need to look in the mirror.

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[–] 10942953? 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

They all follow the same pattern if they aren't all affiliated to begin with:

  1. do anything and everything to achieve negative CCP at all costs; achieved rather easily if the only thing the user in question talks about are anti-Voat political topics (e.g. loving Hillary, thinking Trump is evil in every way, praises the fed / central banks, praises big government / communism, all the while necessarily avoiding supporting their arguments) and thereby accruing downvotes.
  2. once they have negative CCP, use virtually all of their daily comments whining about Voat being "just as bad as reddit" and being "anti-freedom of speech", and thereby accruing downvotes.
  3. continue to wonder why they have negative CCP, ignore all arguments about the serious problem of spam

These people want one thing: Voat to be way more exploitable; free reign for spammers (they wanted the same thing in Voat Chat; free reign for anyone, no CCP requirement so anyone can post (i.e. so the spambots can go wild), and generally no way for the Voat community to stop their exploitations.

I don't care about their unpopular views. Words don't bother me. It's spam that bothers me because it makes the platform unusable. Half the people who complain that Voat doesn't have free speech also spam their complaints every day and/or append a spam disclaimer to their every comment "If we're conversing, Voat might censor me so I won't reply", and I have little pity for those types. Even with the current system they can make any number of accounts to cover their maximum likely comments per day requirements.

In short these people have no arguments, and then they start complaining about Voat, concerning which they still have no arguments.

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[–] AndrewBlazeIt 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

LURK MOAR

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[–] xenoPsychologist 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

this is a pretty brilliant observation.

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[–] smallpond 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

Keep in mind this comment comes from someone worming their way into a position of influence on voat while being so intellectually dishonest that they can claim "bans are not censorship" with the only justification offered being some bullshit about redefining the meaning of "censorship" to mean "censorship I disagree with".

Spam can be dealt with without censoring unpopular users, unfortunately too many influential voices support censorship on voat simply because it shuts down opinions they disagree with.

Disclaimer: If we’re conversing, I will soon fall silent. I may want to continue, but because many users are unpopular here and have less than 100 CCP, we are temporarily banned as soon as we make 10 comments in a day. Voat does not respect free speech, but I'm grateful for recent comments stating an intention to improve things.

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[–] heygeorge 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I... view voat as a dangerous safespace that creates hateful/violent racists out of weak-minded people.

I bet it's the Russians.

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[–] voatHatesTheFirst 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago 

You use too many words. You may think that makes you a better writer, but it doesn't.

You could have just said..

"Everything I disagree with is spam"

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[–] DeliciousOnions 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

If it's not truly free speech, it's about as close as I've been able to find anywhere.

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[–] SquarebobSpongebutt 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Truly free speech without the voting mechanism would just be whomever screams the loudest and longest getting to talk.

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[–] smallpond 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

The voting system is fine. You would get rid of most censorship on here by getting rid of CCP-restrictions, so that the voting system doesn't act to censor unpopular users.

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[–] uvulectomy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

So we'd basically end up with nothing but SaneGoat alts.

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[–] EIMR 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You know, the chans don't have voting and they do quite well.

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[–] pipispapas 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

the whole point about free speech is to be able to have and express unpopular opinions. even if their motives are questionable anyone should be free to post whatever they want here.

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[–] xenoPsychologist 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

there are enough completely successful people around here with unpopular opinions to say, for sure, that you can have and express those unpopular opinions. you dont get censored for having them. you dont get banned or disappear. but if you come off as being wrong AND ALSO a massive douchebag to the general populace, youre gonna have a bad time.

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[–] HomerChimpson 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The guy finds the need to insult people constantly. This is why he gathers downvoats. But of course, he blames everything but his demeanor.

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[–] 10942877? 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Anyone is free to post whatever they want (as long as it's not illegal in the US (e.g. child porn), or dozzing of Voat users, or spam). Some people who get more downvotes than upvotes (and that happens very seldom, relatively) just have limited comments each day

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[–] smallpond 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Anyone is free to post whatever they want

Last I heard unpopular users with less than 10CCP cannot post anything at all: that's just a little different to posting whatever they want.

But blatant lies like this are par for the course from someone who can seriously try to claim "bans are not censorship".

Disclaimer: If we’re conversing, I will soon fall silent. I may want to continue, but because many users are unpopular here and have less than 100 CCP, we are temporarily banned as soon as we make 10 comments in a day. Voat does not respect free speech, but I'm grateful for recent comments stating an intention to improve things.

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[–] middle_path [S] 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Why do people assume i want to take their free speech away if I am sick of hearing them?

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[–] smallpond 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

Ah yes, the whole 'if you don't like it, leave' (and let your enemies have their evil way without any accountability) argument, as opposed to: if you don't like it, stay and work to make it better. Also, the options for free-speech forums with user critical mass are pretty much non-existent.

Voat censors unpopular users through CCP restrictions. Blatant hypocrisy from a website that claims to be a place where everyone can 'have their say'.

Last I heard users with less than 10CCP have no ability to post at all, so I'm not sure what you're complaining about. As far as I can tell, PuttItOut is one of the few who can still post.

Disclaimer: If we’re conversing, I will soon fall silent. I may want to continue, but because many users are unpopular here and have less than 100 CCP, we are temporarily banned as soon as we make 10 comments in a day. Voat does not respect free speech, but I'm grateful for recent comments stating an intention to improve things.

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[–] middle_path [S] 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

so if you would like to repair a system you see as broken, why not try it over at Reddit?

Also, if users with less than 10 ccp can't post, how do new accounts even get going?

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[–] smallpond 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago  (edited ago)

so if you would like to repair a system you see as broken, why not try it over at Reddit?

Censorship is completely entrenched on reddit, they have no allegiance to free speech and zero chance of changing - trying to get them to change would be a total waste of time. On the other hand free speech is apparently the whole point of voat, if even voat cannot resist blatant ideological censorship the situation is pretty bleak. I spend time here because I think there is some chance of positive change.

Also, if users with less than 10 ccp can't post, how do new accounts even get going?

Posting is not commenting. New users just need to avoid the hivemind's wrath while commenting until they get 10CCP, then they can post.

Most new users have no idea about voat's pervasive censorship, they open an account and speak their mind. If they are popular, the CCP-restriction-based censorship is no real impediment for them. If they are unpopular they can only comment 10 times a day and cannot post at all: of course those users leave the website, further worsening the echochamber/hivemind.

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[–] AndrewBlazeIt 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

He's still jimmy rustled from that fight he had with whoever the fuck it was.

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[–] middle_path [S] 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

What's wrong with calling out the community? Practice of the middle path is about moderation and not half-following both sided.

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[–] voatHatesTheFirst 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Weren't you just crying about witch hunts on voat the other day yourself?

Not everyone is a programmer. Are you a programmer?

Did we get The First Amendment because our forefathers just shut up about it?

Is free speech not worthy of being supported?

Voat has the potential to be the real thing and live up to it's motto, "A place to have your say".

Is that not a worthy goal to strive for and support?

I guess not in your stunted brain, considering your words. Because it directly affects me now. First time a witch Hunt has been called against me.

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[–] middle_path [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Oh, hey buddy. Showed up right on time.

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