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[–] R34p_Th3_Wh0r1w1nd 5 points 50 points (+55|-5) ago 

You stupid if you do. If the disease can't kill you, don't get a vaccination for it.

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[–] Gravspeed 3 points 21 points (+24|-3) ago 

Its cheaper, easier, and more effective to get the flu.

what does not kill me makes me stronger

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[–] Lemongarb 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

I got the flu a lot when I was 7-9 years old. I haven't had the flu since.

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[–] hedidnothingwrong 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Also the vaccine is way less effective if you are older (and more vulnerable to the flu). So even if you are at risk, it's not really worth it to get it. Also if you are exhausted from the flu shot you are more likely to get any other disease...

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[–] TheTrigger 4 points 8 points (+12|-4) ago 

They're already turning the frogs gay, why the fuck would I volunteer for that shit.

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[–] prairie 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

If the disease can't kill you, don't get a vaccination for it.

My philosophy for any drugs, if the point is mainly short-term comfort only. "You want to give me an antibiotic as a precautionary measure? Meh, let's wait. Pain killer while you do stitches? Let's try without first."

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[–] Maroonsaint 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What you do is get the pain killers stash them till you're fine then abuse them for the high

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[–] DoctorShitlord 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Influenza virus kills many people each year.
Taking 2000 iu's of vitamin D3 every day provides better protection against the flu than the flu shot.

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[–] VIP740 2 points 24 points (+26|-2) ago 

I won't be getting the flue shot. As far as I'm concerned the flue shot is a scam.

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[–] MotherIsWatching 9 points -1 points (+8|-9) ago 

It's not. It typically reduces the risk of getting the flu by 40-60% and reduces the severity of the flu if you do get it (Sauce: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm)).

Most people can get it for free or very low cost through health insurance.

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[–] kraknak 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago  (edited ago)

You left off the more significant part of the statement from your source:

...when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched to the flu vaccine.

Without knowing how that's quantified or what the match rate has been historically, the 40-60% figure is total bullshit. The fact that nowhere on the page do they provide the historical figures for absolute protection + rate of infection shows that they are selling a bill of goods rather than providing unbiased information.

To calculate your personal risk of infection, you also need to know what the overall total population rate of infection is for your age/health/occupation risk category.

Then you need to weigh the potential hazards/unknowns of the vaccine against the total risk + health outcomes of the flu.

If you aren't immuno-compromised or elderly or working around high-risk individuals, getting the flu vaccine is a loser's bet.

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[–] VIP740 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

Nothing's free. I acknowledge it can reduce the probability of coming down with the flu; but it can also cause side effects. The acknowledged side effects can be as bad or worse than the flue, and can be lethal. I would be very surprised if there weren't other side effects which aren't acknowledged, or who's cause hasn't been properly investigated.

All in all, I don't take medication unless I have a clear need for it. And I find from my personal experience that maintaining your health through exorcise and a natural healthy diet (especially avoiding sugar), is a better defense against the flu than the vaccine, and doesn't carry any of the risks of the vaccine.

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[–] 10603181 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

http://blog.aarp.org/2015/09/17/cdc-flu-shot-should-be-better-this-season/

the 2014-15 flu season was particularly nasty, thanks to a major flu strain that changed after the vaccine had already been manufactured. As a result, last year’s vaccine was only 13 percent effective against the virulent H3N2 strain, causing the highest hospitalization rate among older adults that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) had ever recorded, said director Thomas Frieden.

yeah, no.

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[–] Big_Willy_Wallace 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

1 month

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[–] Antifa_Hivemind 12 points 23 points (+35|-12) ago  (edited ago)

Okay I might get a shit ton of flak for this post, but whatever. Yes,I would recommend that you get a flu shot every year.

I advocate for anyone and everyone who is eligible for the flu shot to get it because it saves lives. Do I mean it will save the life of an average 20-something person with a functional immune system? Of course not. Worst case scenario for most people is that they'd get the flu, feel shitty for about a week, and then forget about it once they recover. Unfortunately, not everyone (very young children, adults over 65) has a strong immune system. These people are vulnerable to the flu virus and can have a lot of deadly complications (i.e. pneumonia) as a result of fighting off the infection. The only defense that these people have against potentially deadly complications from the flu is to not be exposed to it at all.

That's kind of the "big picture" of a nationally distributed flu vaccine. The overall goal is to foster something called "herd immunity", where the virus cannot spread within the population because everyone has been vaccinated and can fight it off easily. This has shown to be extremely effective in protecting the more vulnerable members of the population, as it limits their exposure to, and thus, chances of contracting the flu virus.

Also, I'm not a government shill, and I don't advocate that you do whatever big brother tells you to because "it's for your own good". It's just a bit of scientific theory that I happen to support.

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[–] TameFloyd 3 points 6 points (+9|-3) ago 

Sounds like commie horse shit to me!

Seriously though, fuck flu shots.

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[–] Slayfire122 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

It's not commie bullshit. If there's fewer people to spread the virus, then it won't spread as well. Here's a gif showing how it works.

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[–] qwop 7 points 5 points (+12|-7) ago 

Herd immunity never was and never will be. You've been taken for a ride by a big pharma sales pitch.

Dr. Suzanne Humphries explains how herd immunity does not currently exist, and cannot be achieved with the current generation of vaccines:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KhofzZ-ke8

Of course if you're a real shill, you won't bother watching it.
On the other hand if you do support science, like you say you do, then you will.

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[–] Antifa_Hivemind 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Before you get into my super long paragraph, here is an article I would ask you to read:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3171704/

As I'm watching this video, it seems that the speaker is more concerned with trying to debunk vaccine hysteria rather than disprove herd immunity. Furthermore, some of her points seem relatively easy to refute. She's trying to say that the measles vaccine did not lead to a decrease in death rates of measles because it was already decreasing due to improved quality of life. I don't know anyone who would try to say that a vaccine is the sole reason a virus was eradicated, but to say that it did not contribute to decreased deaths in patients seems a tad of a stretch.

Then she admits at 16:54 that the vaccine did stop the measles virus from spreading - for a time of course because then the vaccinated mothers did not pass along adequate maternal antibodies to their children, which resulted in a spike in measles infections later down the road. While this is an interesting point, it doesn't provide evidence dispelling herd immunity - especially in the case of the flu where you get a slightly different strain every year.

@20:00 okay now she's just talking about the stupidity of the average person when it comes to healthcare. The average person for some reason thinks that medicine has evolved to the point where there is a "magic bullet" that cures any illness. This is bullshit and everyone knows it. Furthermore, it should be obvious to everyone with half a brain that if you put a live attenuated virus into your body, YOU MAY BECOME SICK FROM THAT VIRUS. Shocker right? There is a risk to taking vaccines, just like there is a risk for acute liver when you take acetaminophen, just like there is a risk that you can die from malignant hyperthermia when you are put under anesthesia. That's life unfortunately, you take a risk when you put something into your body. But if she's going to rail against vaccines, she might as well rail against all medications in general because most of them can have bad side effects on a very small percentage of the population

@23:00 this part actually supports what I said about how we can't use vaccines against susceptible individuals because their immune systems are not up to par. This is just a shit job by that child's pediatrician.

She actually does ask an interesting question about how serious of a problem it is for vaccinated patients to develop measles anyway, but then she admits that no one knows the number. This highlights an area that warrants further study, but I cannot take it as a reason why we shouldn't use vaccines. If the number of people affected is a tiny percentage, then I would take it as a necessary trade off for the greater good.

@24:30 she's mentioning SSPE, a severe complication of measles. Her whole point on everything thus far is that scientists and physicians are doing a whole lot of assuming on the effectiveness of the vaccine because there is no data to back it up.

@26:00 "It's true that the measles vaccine did lead to a decline in SPPE"

@27:00 What bullshit is this? Of course the proportion of severe cases of SPPE increased because the level of mild cases of SPPE cases decreased! She's knocking the measles vaccine because it wasn't effective enough to knock out severe SPPE cases. So does that mean that we shouldn't use it at all because it can't treat all cases?

@28:24 This is a serious problem in the field of medicine and it is due to the fact that you just cannot eradicate bacteria/viruses. If you get rid of one, then others will take its place. This is the principle behind why people get C. difficile infections if they take too many antibiotics and wipe out their gut flora. But again, this isn't really relevant to herd immunity: the incidence of encephalitis remained the same because of other diseases, not because of measles. She's essentially saying that the the measles vaccine is bad because it doesn't work against every other pathogen that can cause encephalitis.

@33:00 yes, everyone knows that better nutrition leads to healthier immune systems. But what about people who are not in prime health with weaker immune systems

@40:00 I will never say that vaccination leads to as good of an immunity as your body fighting off the infection itself. But that is not the question. What if you can't fight it off? Then you just die.

@50:36 Fair enough. This area warrants further study; you can't just say that vaccines will cause more deaths than not using them because of one instance where intervention resulted in higher mortality. A meta analysis is needed.

@56:00 so look the point of this whole lecture has been that the vaccine does not always work and in the ones it does, they do not retain immunity as long as they would if they contracted the disease normally. Moreover, it states that herd immunity to measles would naturally occur over a period of centuries without the use of vaccines. Fair enough. Unfortunately, the flu is not like the measles virus (for which humans are the only host). It is an interspecies pathogen that can rapidly mutate and create new strains of itself. In short, your body has no way to permanently defend itself against the flu virus, which is why they have seasonal flu vaccines. This means that the superior antibodies that you make to this strain of flu virus are worthless because it has already mutated and will not be recognized by them. In short, herd immunity will not naturally develop with the flu virus because it changes constantly, and so vulnerable populations will always be at risk. I never said that flu vaccines were the end-all solution, but at the moment, they are the best we can do IMO, and I think more people are saved by these vaccines than there are people who suffer from one-in-a-million chance side effects.

Okay, I watched an hour of it and I'm tired of typing. I doubt you'll read this anyway, but it was an interesting talk.

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[–] Orangishlemon 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Herd immunity FOR THE FLU??

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[–] Antifa_Hivemind 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

yeah. for the flu.

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[–] Reggie000 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

False. Voat said it's reptilian brainwashing tactics so I'm downvoting you.

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[–] Antifa_Hivemind 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

aw man :(

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[–] chris 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

why

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[–] scarygoat 4 points 18 points (+22|-4) ago 

Flu shot only 19% effective this winter - USA Today, June 4, 2015

Even if it worked and it actually prevented you from getting the flu, it's not worth it to put all of the loving mystery ingredients in your body. It doesn't sound like a good idea to inject yourself with something manufactured by people who talk about population control all day.

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[–] LionElTrump 4 points 1 points (+5|-4) ago 

Plus Bill Gates wants vaccines to reduce world population, think of that

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[–] totes_magotes 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

Nope, haven't been sick in like 5 years.

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[–] idk 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

The only time I got the flu was when I got the flu shot. (my job required it).

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[–] SenseiSlaughter 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

My first job I was 17. I worked in the kitchen at the hospital. They said I had to get a flu shot and I said no, I don't want one. So they put a form for me to sign in front of me that said I was knowingly endangering patients. I said I wouldn't sign that either. They told me to go back to work and not talk about it lol.

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[–] ErrantCognition 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

You cannot get the flu from the vaccine. Just coincidence and bad luck.

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[–] hedidnothingwrong 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Same, when my family got the flu shot we got all three sick as hell. Never got it ever after.

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[–] EvilSeagull 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I was also forced to get one. During the pre-employment physical I said no thank you to the flu shot and they said okay, but you can't have the job. So I got the flu shot.

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[–] DalaiFarmer 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

that immune system thing works pretty well.

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[–] NeoGoat 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Yes! The real key is maintaining your overall health via proper sleep, diet, exercise, etc.

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[–] totes_magotes 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Amazing thing, that.

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[–] ErrantCognition 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I mentioned to my grandpa that I can't be bothered to get the shot because I basically never get sick with anything and I've never had the flu. His response was essentially that that's fine when you're young, but when you're in your mid seventies you take zero chances with disease. Makes sense to me. There are literally no downsides other than time; worst case they predict the mutation wrong and it does nothing.

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[–] VoutGuy 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Exactly. It's your turn to get sick. Get the shot already :).

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[–] Orangishlemon 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

It’s a sham.

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[–] MotherIsWatching 8 points -3 points (+5|-8) ago 

Incorrect. It typically provides 40-60% reduction in risk of infection and reduces the severity of infection (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm))

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[–] whereisthemountain 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Why do you trust that source?

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[–] TheKobold 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

I never do. The flu "vaccine" is one I do not prescribe to. It is literally a guessing game to see which one is going to be dominant this year and it even more so than other vaccines is liable to give you the symptoms of what you are trying to protect yourself from. Plus something like the flu is not deadly unless you are a kid or elderly. It can be fought off with conventional rest and fluids, and I prefer my body to build its own immunity to the virus rather than guessing games with a needle.

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[–] MyNameIsMud 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

I've already had 6 flu shots. Have to make sure I'm immune against all the strains and not just one!

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[–] MyNameIsMud 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I'm getting 18 more today! Soon I'll have them all!

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[–] prairie 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

A single noose prevents all future flu infections.

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