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[–] GetOverItGian 1 points 779 points (+780|-1) ago 

I really hope there isn't a hive mind. I hope everyone feels comfortable voicing their opinion without the fear of getting down voted and made fun of. That's honestly one of the biggest reasons why I was a huge lurker on reddit for 3+ years. Hopefully I can find a more comfortable area here and post all the time!

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[–] Jermaine 2 points 173 points (+175|-2) ago 

That was pretty much the same reason I lurked for a fair while. Sure, I'd add in the odd comment here and there, but I was always weary that someone would disagree and then it would get blown out of proportion.

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[–] RestInPeaceReddit 2 points 135 points (+137|-2) ago 

I've written so many comments and then just deleted them seconds later out of fear of backlash. Hopefully I can be more expressive here without having to worry about it. :)

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[–] Hammersmithandwitty 2 points 83 points (+85|-2) ago 

I think the downvoat limit really helps stop that.

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[–] NondescriptLurker 1 points 63 points (+64|-1) ago 

I gave up on posting/commenting on Reddit about four years ago for a similar reason and eventually switched to a lurking account. I was going through a life-crisis of sorts and decided to ask Reddit for advice. Instead of advice, the first person to respond said I sounded like a pedantic faggot.

The entirety of the hive mind seemed to agree with him, as the thread devolved into people harassing me. How someone can judge the sum of a person and deem them to be worthless from a few paragraphs of text is beyond me. I eventually spoke with some counselors and therapists and got everything sorted out, but I more or less lost faith in Reddit's user base after that.

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[–] Fenrirwulf 1 points 24 points (+25|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I started out lurking but then I said 'Fuck it', the fake internet points don't mean anything so if they feel they have to disagree by downvoating, let them. The rule I try to go by is that if you don't agree instead of downvoating add counterpoints to the discussion. Not only does it help the thread to have differing viewpoints but it also makes you carefully consider the reason behind your chosen stance. Well, that will be my rule once I can downvoat, not that I plan to once allowed other than for spam.

edit: i spel gud

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[–] 584786? [S] 1 points 45 points (+46|-1) ago 

It was like that when I first came here, but we'll see how it is now that Redditors are flooding in. For the most part though, I think showing the up/down ratio of everything does a good job of stopping this site from becoming a hivemind.

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[–] Proppa 6 points 69 points (+75|-6) ago  (edited ago)

As long as there are downvotes, there will be a hivemind. It's a tool people use to hide opposing opinions, not just remove spam. Reddit already proved this.

Personally, I don't see why we don't just remove downvotes entirely. When you vote for a president, you don't get to go and downvote all the ones you disagree with. Your vote speaks for itself.

Meh. That's just me.

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[–] Unlucky13 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I was a 3-year Reddit veteran when the Digg exodus happened. I completely understand why original Voaters are worried. If it makes any of them feel better, I have no intentions of bringing mindless low-hanging fruit attempts at comedy and shitposts. I also am trying to learn and emulate the existing demeanor here instead of just submitting crap for karma sake.

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[–] BigDrunkBoat 1 points 22 points (+23|-1) ago  (edited ago)

True, BUT, (and I know this is going to be the most insanely optimistic thing I've ever said), I think that all the best redditors (except me I fucking suck donkey dick), are coming to Voat. So while we are all refugees, I think it's the best refugees, the people who are clued-in enough to be sick of so much of the bullshit that goes on at reddit; from the management to the hivemind. So, I'm predicting, cautiously but hopefully that no reddit hivemind shall be formed here.

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[–] Medwin 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I'm already seeing reasonable opinions being downvoted without explanation.

*and someone downvoted this, which I guess means they are calling me a liar. Voat is already becoming too much like Reddit.

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[–] coconuts 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Sadly that's probably a side-effect of the size.

I truly believe this.

It's a funny catch 22. To get better content on Voat, we need more users. To avoid a hive mind, we have to keep the group small to avoid mob mentality.

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[–] onegaminus 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

I think users also need to be prepared, then, to defend their opinions when someone questions them.

I've definitely dissented from the hivemind plenty already and people are more willing to engage in debate with me than they ever were on reddit. They wouldn't just troll and talk shit (although I've run into one of them already, lol). So if you wanna come up with some dissent, come correct.

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[–] Agent_M 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Debate time! I respect your opinion, but iI am always right because I respect your opinion. Whatcha think about that?

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[–] NakedAmbition 0 points 140 points (+140|-0) ago 

"I did Nazi that coming". Everyone else did you little bitch.

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[–] Fogeddit 3 points 47 points (+50|-3) ago  (edited ago)

<- le this, literally

EDIT: OMG thanks for the uptokes reddit, see you on the front page

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[–] Frank_Grimes 2 points 48 points (+50|-2) ago 

Puns should be a bannable offense.

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[–] Vodiniat 8 points 52 points (+60|-8) ago 

Woah, woah, woah, Puns are pretty bad, but I've gotta be FRANK with you in saying that they aren't a bannable offense.

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[–] ColaEuphoria 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

Comes to site for free speech

Puns should be a bannable offense.

O-okay...

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[–] pennigans 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

How dare you

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[–] Caspasho 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

I doubt any website will ever be free of wankers, and tbh i dont really mind a decent pun (occasionally). But yea I dont see why you have to use memes to say everything.

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[–] borring 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The meme thing is probably due to AdviceAnimals and the like being default subs. The default subs set the tone for the site.

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[–] Tjoflojt 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

Hey! Puns, when done properly, can be fucking hilarious. It just takes some brains and effort.

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[–] hraegsvelmir 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

It also takes not just reusing them over and over until you've driven their shuddering corpse into the core of the earth and the puns begs to be allowed to die.

Browse any of the defaults on Reddit and you see the same pun threads repeated ad nauseum, ditto for movie quotes.

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[–] Unlucky13 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I agree!

I'd upvoat but... yeah... Voat won't let me... )-8

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[–] Hammersmithandwitty 1 points 198 points (+199|-1) ago 

Constant pun threads and shitty memes. Voat is what Reddit should have been - a place for intelligent discussion.

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[–] DeweyTheDecimal 0 points 55 points (+55|-0) ago 

To be fair some of the most profound and intelligent things I've ever read has been from Reddit users. But that was years ago before low effort fluff clogged it all up. Hopefully we can keep that stuff out and focus more on substance.

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[–] nilceps 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Of course now I can't find it but there was a reddit post about the average comment length over the years and per subreddit. The most interesting thing was that overall the length of the comments went down, which just means that mid-long comments about opinions and explanations were getting replaced by short memes and jokes, also even though the long comments might have had more upvotes in the end the joke comments were more 'economical' just because making a joke takes maybe 1 minute and gets 500 upvotes while a long comment could take up to 1 hour to write up and 'only' getting 1000 votes.

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[–] 2314234234 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

That's still true but only for the small subs but personally I have found more intelligent discussions in topic-specific forums.

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[–] onegaminus 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

well r/bestof was like, what reddit shoulda been: the subreddit

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[–] Don_Jefe 2 points 14 points (+16|-2) ago 

I can understand your stance on the memes, but puns are fun. They sustain me. It adds flavor to an alphabet soup of ones and zeros.

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[–] Hammersmithandwitty 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

For me, puns just detract from the quality of the conversation.

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[–] sturle 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

Funny puns are fun. Shitheads trying to be funny for karma is not.

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[–] codyave 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I think sometimes Reddit skips the alphabet soup altogether and licks the flavor packet.

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[–] Chih 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I agree, even when the average pun thread felt like beating a dead horse, it was easy enough to minimize it, and get to the actual discussion. And when people pulled it off well, it was good for a laugh before I minimized it and got to the actual discussion, heh

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[–] Juan_Solo 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I think part of the problems with Reddit as of late stem from the growth. Intelligent discussion, while still there, was diluted by casual users and 14 year olds. I hope this can be a small enough community that we can be what Reddit used to be.

Popularity in a site is detrimental to its intelligence.

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[–] Hammersmithandwitty 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I agree, which is why we have to fight to maintain a high standard here as it looks like we will continue to grow. I think Voat has some features that will help though, like the Voating limits, mod limits, emphasis on free speech, etc.

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[–] Eat_vegetables 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Well, I dont mind joking around and not being serious, but reddit was completely infested with this specific kind of lame jokeyness. The serious replies to serious questions got slowly lower down in the comments section until they werent there at all.

I dont know if reddit changed, or I did.

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[–] Hammersmithandwitty 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Oh yeah, I'm not a complete hardass and I enjoy the occasional joke I see in the comments but like you say, Reddit is just saturated with it and it pisses me off.

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[–] jstyla 0 points 190 points (+190|-0) ago 

Mods controlling dozens of subs. Apparently voat has a rule in place where you can only moderate a maximum of ten subs. I read somewhere on reddit that there is a user who moderates over 200 subs. I think this sort of Newscorp-esque power grab is bad for the community.

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[–] PriusProblems 1 points 58 points (+59|-1) ago 

/u/agentlame moderates 398 subreddits.

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[–] 404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND 0 points 78 points (+78|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Fucker wrote a bot to go thru and ban a person from all 300+ of his subs. So basically, if he doesn't like you, you might get close to 400 PM's saying you are banned from a ton of subreddits. What a twat.

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[–] mirnos 0 points 25 points (+25|-0) ago 

You're linking to the Voat user agentlame. Here's the Reddit user

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[–] Hammersmithandwitty 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

I wonder how much cash he was taking from corporate shills.

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[–] holland883 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Altough many subs he moderates are emty, zero submisions and zero viewers.

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[–] SegFault 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

There's quite a few of them over there, and there seems to be a correlation between how many subs one moderates with how terrible they allow their own behaviour to be.

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[–] jstyla 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

So just like the real world then.

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[–] Holly 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

To expand: Mod's abusing power. The idea that a user can post something to a sub, and, while it may be relevant, is against hte rules, is pretty lame. When you have a userbase with the power to determine (Upvote/downvote) content, then you should just leave it to that community to decide. It shouldn't be up to 5 or 6 people to decide what an entire community gets to see/post/enjoy.

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[–] TheRealTruth 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I had a post on /r/futurology get 10 net upvotes in like 20 minutes and was removed by the moderator. It was a meta post criticizing the high level of moderation on that subreddit.

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[–] Bulbasaur 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I never understood that. Moderating is supposed to be volunteer work, so what do you get from moding hundreds of forums besides a spammed to hell inbox? It's not like it's impressive on an application for work either.

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[–] TheRealTruth 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I always thought it was a power/control trip for them. It's a way for them to get some control over other people. Which is why moderating attracts sociopaths and sadists.

I have absolutely no evidence to back that up. I could totally be wrong. That's Just my guess.

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[–] 404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The only people who sign up are doing it for alterior motives. You get what you pay for. I see no reason that this place won't just be another reddit 2.0 or digg 3.0.

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[–] somethingwitty 0 points 116 points (+116|-0) ago 

I hope that voat isn't as US-centric as reddit. On reddit if you weren't from the US, you were an automatic other. Really hope that it's more internationally inclusive here.

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[–] toto2379 1 points 28 points (+29|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I hope that voat isn't as US-centric as reddit.

To make this place less US-centric, I would like /v/football to be the main sub about "the beautiful game" instead of /v/soccer, because soccer is only an american term.

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[–] MtrSkllz 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

Apparently you guys used the term soccer too, and thats where we got it. But you stopped when we started using the term, because hipsters. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2657548/A-game-two-names-Historians-reveal-America-calls-football-soccer-British-blame.html

TIL, trying to figure out why the hell we do call it soccer, lol.

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[–] Phader 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Soccer is a term originating in England to describe footballers playing Association Football. American football took the term football when the USA essentially banned rugby football in the early 20th century. After the banning of rugby football, Americans retained a similar game played with pads to make the previous game an "improved and safer version" of rugby. In an attempt to gain players, they dropped the term "rugby" from the name and retained football. Please get your shit straight before spreading false information.

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[–] Snake973 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

South Africa and Australia and New Zealand also call it soccer, just saying.

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[–] Vik1ng 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Join glorious /v/yurop!

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[–] KyJoCa 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Yeah, I would like this to be a place where I can get a since of the goings-on and opinions of the rest of the world. If I want a US-centric view of world politics or events, I can just have a discussion at work.

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[–] Tsugumori 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Unfortunately, the US has the largest English-speaking population, and this is primarily an English-speaking website. While I understand that many people speak English as a second language there are still 300 million or so Americans (compare to 33 million Canadians and 65 million Brits).

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[–] squ1dk1d 1 points 79 points (+80|-1) ago 

Hopefully people stop using downvotes to express disagreement, but rather as a form of public moderation.

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[–] 585011? 1 points 21 points (+22|-1) ago 

This is a really good point, but with upvote and downvote meaning different things at their core, yet being so close to one another, it's gonna be hard as hell to keep that in check.

In my opinion, the upvote button is akin to the Facebook "Like" button, meaning "Yeah, this is something that I really agree with. Good, quality content that I enjoy and approve of. It's topical, posted in the appropriate place, and adheres to community standards." The downvote button, on the other hand, more or less means "There's something wrong with how this post was submitted. Maybe the poster called the user a faggot, maybe they posted to the wrong subreddit, maybe they posted quality content but titled it 'LE AMAZEBALLS KITTYKAT M'LADY *TIPS FEDORA*' or something.

Good luck separating the two.

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[–] Atherel 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

Why not see the upvoat as "You contributed to the discussion even if I don't share your opinion"?

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[–] FPHrefugee 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

also I really wish facebook had a downvote button.

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[–] fry_hole 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

This is the biggest thing for me. I think people underestimate how much of a problem this is on reddit. Forget about pretend internet points, widespread repression of some opinions leads to conformation bias for the other opinions. Then new people to the site slowly get adapted to the politics of the site and downvoting the opposition themselves.

This is extremely dangerous IMO.

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[–] Unlucky13 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

There should be a limit on downvotes, but I hate not being able to upvote people until I get a certain amount of karma.

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[–] squ1dk1d 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It's probably for the best considering how easy vote manipulation is on that other site

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[–] 404_SLEEP_NOT_FOUND 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I think the downvote button was intended to mean dislike. Why not just remove it, and replace it with a report spam button? It can publicaly show the number of spam reports on it. That way people don't confuse it with "this guy said something against the hivemind".

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[–] fry_hole 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Well voat is based on reddit and reddit clearly states downvotes are for comments not contributing to the conversation. But that aside the Upvote/report style already exists on facebook and doesn't seem to do much good. The problem is you need faaaaar more moderation which also brings it's own series of problems.

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[–] Juan_Solo 0 points 46 points (+46|-0) ago 

Oddly enough, this site is starting to become a circlejerk about how much we hate circlejerks.

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[–] Foxnos 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

I'm not sure how one can voice how displeased they are with circlejerks without starting a circle jerk.

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[–] Heinrich_Himmler 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

No matter what circlejerks will always exist. When a circlejerk is formed there will always be a countercirclejerk which will eventually replace the original circlejerk. It is not possible to break this cycle. The world would be a better place if we could just accept this fact and learn to live with the circlejerk.

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[–] 1982 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

me neither

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[–] xHussin 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

some circlejerks are fun

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[–] Holly 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

In the internet sense, definitely not. But, I mean, my boyfriend and I like to party, so.

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[–] WiseMansFear 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

Sometimes those idiots managed to produce some quality humor. A broken clock is always right twice a day.

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[–] Wulfsta 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yeah, just look at some of the stuff that comes from 4chan.

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[–] GUEST1337 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Especially frustrating is seeing a lame pun or circlejerk on a serious issue like a news sub. Like come on, now? Really?

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[–] lorderandy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The fact that many subs, some created to deal with serious issues in the first place, introduced a [serious] tag for posts blew me away and made me realize that it's gotten so bad you have to go out of your way to make it known that you'd like only serious responses to your post.

And then this lead to situations where someone would ask an obviously serious question, but neglect to use the serious tag and the entire comment section is filled with idiotic jokes followed by "OP should have used the [serious] tag"

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[–] onegaminus 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

YA CRUDE RUDE LEWD DUDE XD

Yeah like that? That's an example.

Don't upgoat this, I fucking mean it. Seriously. I'm not saying it so you will anyway. Don't. Be. That. Guy.

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[–] WackyWocky 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Switch out cheap memes and circlejerk statements for actual funny jokes, puns and references? Sounds like a dream come true.

I'd always hate seeing a post on Reddit about a movie or something, and an actual reference or joke to the movie had maybe 20-30 upvotes, while a circlejerk comment receives 600+.

I get that simple memes and humor is more "widely known" and therefor gets more upvotes, but that just results in actual funny shit with real effort being drowned out.

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[–] POTATOES_IN_MY_ANUS 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I feel like a marriage of dank maymays and actually funny jokes and puns is merited. Who ever can pull that off will be hailed as a god.

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