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[–] Genghis_Khan 0 points 257 points (+257|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Voat, (until recently, though probably still) was a much smaller community than other popular news aggregators, and as such had (has) a particular culture. I don't want to dictate the specifics as I see them, but new users should be aware of this. Not out of some unjustified irreverence for "older" users, but due to the simple fact that it's good and genuinely promotes positive discussion, sharing information, and not shitting down people's throats.

This is a very subtle thing, I know, but new users should not assume this is a literal clone of any other site. As such, they should plan on putting the most minimal non-zero effort into their comments and submissions. Not because it'll make people like me happy, but because it'll keep the site good, interesting, and non-toxic.


Edit: Wording.

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[–] SgtSama [S] 2 points 69 points (+71|-2) ago 

Yeah that's one thing I've definitely already noticed, is a much more relaxed community.

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[–] Genghis_Khan 0 points 83 points (+83|-0) ago 

Here's the other thing (sorry for going on about it), if users don't act, it'll deteriorate fast. When you see garbage, shine a spotlight on it. Don't just downvoat it (if you can), let them know they're being bad. It's the only way to fight the downward quality pressure.

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[–] psylancer 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

And I think users should stay vigilant to preserve that culture for as long as possible. When I transitioned from Digg to Reddit I was amazed at the quality of discussion that was happening on Reddit. But unfortunately a lot of that discussion was forced into either smaller subs or just forced out all together. Instead a lot of really great discussion was replaced by meme images.

I hope this community continues to value candid discussion.

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[–] Unlucky13 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Reddit was the same way 5-6 years ago. It was a very small online community where most submissions were about science, news, technology, etc. After Digg died, there was a massive exodus to Reddit (catching a theme here?), and things went downhill fast. It was sad because it was no longer a welcoming community. Trolls came out in droves, every submission was a picture of something stupid, and every comment became an attempt to be the funniest comment. It only got worse to the point that even the mods of large subs became complete assholes. I'm happy to be a part of this community, and hope it'll stay this way for a long time. I'm going to do my part to ensure it.

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[–] strobelight 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago  (edited ago)

But it is a clone. Also, I don't really understand what you're saying. People shouldn't try hard?

I guess I might be being a bit negative but why wouldn't this place turn into Reddit when it's a Reddit clone without the things that redditors dislike about Reddit?

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[–] Genghis_Khan 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

It's cool. I'll try to elaborate.

When I said literal clone, it means this is not reddit with different CSS. This software it written from scratch in a completely different language.

A little less technically though, there are certain rules and implementations here that have enormous effect on the dynamic of the site. For example, new users can't downvoat until they have a certain amount of comment points.

I'm not saying people shouldn't try hard. I'm saying people should try "more than zero."

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[–] lawofchaos 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It's not exactly a clone and was programmed from scratch. I might be wrong about this, maybe an older user can correct me but from what I know I'm pretty sure that up/downvoats weren't even a thing originally and came later.

It shouldn't turn into Reddit because it isn't Reddit. Because this was already it's own community before all the drama. Many came over here before the bannings, before 'safe spaces' because there was a certain quality here that Reddit was missing.

I cannot speak for Genghis_Khan but I think what they were saying is try not to be so militant and in-your-face about issues, the goal is objectivity and rational discussion, not subjectivity and emotional blow-outs. There has been a culture here where downvoating is mostly kept to shit posts and spam and I think that is a sign that the people here value intelligent input, whether they agree or not over circlejerking and burying the non-believer in downvoats.

You as a new user of course has a choice. You can either respect the current culture and help us try to make this a great place for all or you can head on in blindly like a bull in a china shop and wreck the place. No one can force you to do anything but these are some tips and tricks.

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[–] Reminisciences 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

The question is, in all practicality, how long can this culture be sustained? There must be a point of saturation I imagine.

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[–] Genghis_Khan 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

This is seriously a great question.

It's fragile, but it's robust. There needs to be a concerted and unabashed effort by the users who see the value in the quality to inform the newer users who aren't aware. This can and does (I and others have seen it first hand) have a snowball effect.

We have to keep promoting the culture part of the culture itself.

A perpetual culture machine. ;)

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[–] Exaggerate 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Definitely seems way more relaxed here, I dig it. Hopefully the toxicity from reddit doesn't flow over with the new users here.

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[–] literallyallah 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Would it be a good analogy to say that Voat is to Reddit as Reddit is to 4chan (in terms of conduct of users to other users)?

Edit: I've just noticed that I can upvote myself, like on Reddit, but unlike on Reddit, this is not done automatically. Why would I not do this?

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[–] Cobaltsaber 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Look into the voting threshold rules. They do a lot to curb uneducated downvotes and should hopefully have a noticeable impact going forward.