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[–] Genghis_Khan 0 points 257 points (+257|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Voat, (until recently, though probably still) was a much smaller community than other popular news aggregators, and as such had (has) a particular culture. I don't want to dictate the specifics as I see them, but new users should be aware of this. Not out of some unjustified irreverence for "older" users, but due to the simple fact that it's good and genuinely promotes positive discussion, sharing information, and not shitting down people's throats.

This is a very subtle thing, I know, but new users should not assume this is a literal clone of any other site. As such, they should plan on putting the most minimal non-zero effort into their comments and submissions. Not because it'll make people like me happy, but because it'll keep the site good, interesting, and non-toxic.


Edit: Wording.

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[–] SgtSama [S] 2 points 69 points (+71|-2) ago 

Yeah that's one thing I've definitely already noticed, is a much more relaxed community.

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[–] Genghis_Khan 0 points 83 points (+83|-0) ago 

Here's the other thing (sorry for going on about it), if users don't act, it'll deteriorate fast. When you see garbage, shine a spotlight on it. Don't just downvoat it (if you can), let them know they're being bad. It's the only way to fight the downward quality pressure.

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[–] psylancer 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

And I think users should stay vigilant to preserve that culture for as long as possible. When I transitioned from Digg to Reddit I was amazed at the quality of discussion that was happening on Reddit. But unfortunately a lot of that discussion was forced into either smaller subs or just forced out all together. Instead a lot of really great discussion was replaced by meme images.

I hope this community continues to value candid discussion.

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[–] Unlucky13 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Reddit was the same way 5-6 years ago. It was a very small online community where most submissions were about science, news, technology, etc. After Digg died, there was a massive exodus to Reddit (catching a theme here?), and things went downhill fast. It was sad because it was no longer a welcoming community. Trolls came out in droves, every submission was a picture of something stupid, and every comment became an attempt to be the funniest comment. It only got worse to the point that even the mods of large subs became complete assholes. I'm happy to be a part of this community, and hope it'll stay this way for a long time. I'm going to do my part to ensure it.

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[–] strobelight 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago  (edited ago)

But it is a clone. Also, I don't really understand what you're saying. People shouldn't try hard?

I guess I might be being a bit negative but why wouldn't this place turn into Reddit when it's a Reddit clone without the things that redditors dislike about Reddit?

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[–] Genghis_Khan 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

It's cool. I'll try to elaborate.

When I said literal clone, it means this is not reddit with different CSS. This software it written from scratch in a completely different language.

A little less technically though, there are certain rules and implementations here that have enormous effect on the dynamic of the site. For example, new users can't downvoat until they have a certain amount of comment points.

I'm not saying people shouldn't try hard. I'm saying people should try "more than zero."

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[–] lawofchaos 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It's not exactly a clone and was programmed from scratch. I might be wrong about this, maybe an older user can correct me but from what I know I'm pretty sure that up/downvoats weren't even a thing originally and came later.

It shouldn't turn into Reddit because it isn't Reddit. Because this was already it's own community before all the drama. Many came over here before the bannings, before 'safe spaces' because there was a certain quality here that Reddit was missing.

I cannot speak for Genghis_Khan but I think what they were saying is try not to be so militant and in-your-face about issues, the goal is objectivity and rational discussion, not subjectivity and emotional blow-outs. There has been a culture here where downvoating is mostly kept to shit posts and spam and I think that is a sign that the people here value intelligent input, whether they agree or not over circlejerking and burying the non-believer in downvoats.

You as a new user of course has a choice. You can either respect the current culture and help us try to make this a great place for all or you can head on in blindly like a bull in a china shop and wreck the place. No one can force you to do anything but these are some tips and tricks.

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[–] Reminisciences 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

The question is, in all practicality, how long can this culture be sustained? There must be a point of saturation I imagine.

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[–] Genghis_Khan 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

This is seriously a great question.

It's fragile, but it's robust. There needs to be a concerted and unabashed effort by the users who see the value in the quality to inform the newer users who aren't aware. This can and does (I and others have seen it first hand) have a snowball effect.

We have to keep promoting the culture part of the culture itself.

A perpetual culture machine. ;)

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[–] Exaggerate 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

Definitely seems way more relaxed here, I dig it. Hopefully the toxicity from reddit doesn't flow over with the new users here.

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[–] literallyallah 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Would it be a good analogy to say that Voat is to Reddit as Reddit is to 4chan (in terms of conduct of users to other users)?

Edit: I've just noticed that I can upvote myself, like on Reddit, but unlike on Reddit, this is not done automatically. Why would I not do this?

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[–] Cobaltsaber 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Look into the voting threshold rules. They do a lot to curb uneducated downvotes and should hopefully have a noticeable impact going forward.

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[–] RobinsonCroesus 2 points 107 points (+109|-2) ago 

Post are stuck in /new until they get an upvote, so be sure to visit https://voat.co/new regularly.

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[–] eatingham 0 points 33 points (+33|-0) ago 

shame because on reddit, i had people who did that FOR me.

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[–] Arotaes_Forgehammer 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

Unidan?

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[–] Pajakistan 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

This is super useful advice, and I wouldn't have known about it. Thanks for posting it, man. Followup question: is there a post made by admins that detail information like this? I would assume so, but I've yet to find it.

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[–] jgoodwin 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I would be interested in a detailed programming features guide thing as well. That would be very nice to have.

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[–] rundelhaus 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Cool! I didn't know that!

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[–] D0M 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

All hail the goats of new

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[–] Pete 0 points 66 points (+66|-0) ago 

Night mode is the way to go. The button that switches you to night mode is just to the left of your inbox.

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[–] SgtSama [S] 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Yeah I always had my Reddit Enhancement Suite set to night mode as well. I was very happy to find that feature here.

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[–] jenn 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

It seems like on Voat, you don't really need an extension like RES

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[–] A_Clever_User_Name 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Is there any way to tag people like in RES?

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[–] drunk_geologist 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Damn, you're not kidding. Night mode is sexy as hell.

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[–] foshizzle 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Yeah man, Voat is way too fucking bright without it for some reason.

I don't know why but I don't feel this way about Reddit.

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[–] opinionatedduck 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Fuck. You all have me convince to go dark. Now I can never go back to what it was before.

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[–] wolvestooth 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You weren't kidding. Although I did seem to hang up my connection waiting for it to load. Not sure if that's just due to increased traffic here or what.

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[–] bill.lee 1 points 38 points (+39|-1) ago 

Neat idea @SgtSama! For me, the biggest tip is to kind of hang back and visit a bit. Make an introduction...don't make a bunch of posts asking how to prevent /v/politics from becoming /r/politics. The upside of making an introduction, is that sometimes another user can give you feedback about certain subs based on your interests. However, there is always value in checking out voat.co/subverses and searching there. A few other common topics: CCP is more quickly achieved with more thorough comments and there's a few measures to limit mod authority (a maximum of modding 10 subs and public logs).

The only other tip I would offer is to be capable of being offended. One of the biggest thing that drove me from reddit was people's absolute shock that another person thought differently then them. I encourage new users to be prepared for disagreement and to be able to rationally discuss a topic :)

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[–] goat_simulator 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

This is the biggest problem I have with Reddit. Whether it was a top level comment or way down in the chain, if I saw something I didn't agree with and attempted to engage someone in discussion about it, more often than not I would either be downvoted into oblivion or (more often) someone would respond with a pun.

Discussion works best when people can engage one another. A good friend of mine is very Christian and is opposed to the US Supreme Court's recent decision to legalize gay marriages. We didn't try to convince each other to come to the other's way of thinking, we just laid it out there and talked about it, it was pretty awesome.

People over there put way too much stock in fake Internet points and not enough in actually talking about shit, at least in the major subs.

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[–] throwincondomsatslut 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I have the same issues with Reddit. I would put forth honest effort into my comment, even backing up whatever I'm saying with sources, only to be met with downvotes and no explanations. They claim that they want to participate in a discussion, but every so often I'd come across somebody with their fingers in their ears unwilling to hear the other side of things or follow the peer-reviewed sources I provide. It's annoying to put effort into something only to be met with a downvote and no follow-up.

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[–] vjack 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

My experience with voat so far - and I know this probably has as much to do with the subverses I subscribed to as anything else - is that there aren't nearly as many social justice warrior (SJW) types here yet. I'm really hoping that continues because it does make for much better and more open discussion.

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[–] temu 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago 

The bar that is to the right of the upvoat buttons shows the ratio of upvoats vs downvoats.

Blue == likes Violet == dislikes

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[–] Dopeh 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

That's a really cool feature, I like it.

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[–] BVTheEpic 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Reddit used to have it.

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[–] GoGoGadgetArse 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

This is my first comment here, as a refugee from Reddit. I quite liked the "never ending Reddit" feature of RES: Reddit Enhancement Suite. Does Voat have an equivalent?

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[–] Dopeh 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I'd like to see this feature implemented too, also if I close a comment it should stay closed if I reload the page.

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[–] Jermaine 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I do recall someone posting something that could do that, but I can't remember what it was called as I never really took note. I'm sure somebody here must know.

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[–] kris33 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm confused. Was this just added in the 22 hours since you posted, or did you somehow manage to miss it?

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[–] Dopeh 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Looks that way, I just noticed it now.

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[–] silentbob583 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Looks like it does that for comments, but not for the frontpage, unless I'm missing something.

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[–] klongtoey 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

being patient. very patient.

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[–] Hapmatic 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

It's hard to think of new tips and tricks, considering how similar Voat is to Reddit

Voat is a small site in comparison to Reddit. Communities are going to be smaller and more closely-tied. If you go off and find subverses based on your interests, you aren't going to find many there. Don't be afraid to post though, because they will love to see you show up and post. If those communities don't already exist, then make them yourself and turn it into a place you would love new people to turn up and post in. There are going to be thousands of people lurking around Voat, too afraid to post or comment. Show them that there is nothing to be afraid of, that there are a number of friendly people here that are willing to talk with you (unless they themselves end up being quite nervous as well. I'm guilty of that). You could end up doing a good job building up a great community without even realising it

Be adventurous, don't be afriad to end up rambling on and on and on, and most importantly, don't be an arsehole to everyone and everything. You'll end up doing fine :)

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[–] Dopeh 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I already love how nice this community is.

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