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I feel that you're probably right to vote "no", and I feel that the economic case against the Euro is strong. Specifically, I feel that the Euro Zone is not a "natural single currency zone". If Greece does leave the Euro it will face a difficult few years, but with time and hard work it should be possible to recover. That said, I feel you're wrong to cite Naomi Klein's conspiracy theories. I feel it's better to understand the Euro in the context of a specifically Germanic understanding of economic and social union that arises out of their particular history over the last few centuries, and in the context of a deep-seated French desire to (a) bind Germany and (b) yoke their economy to another large economy out of a desire for (economic) stability. In this context the Euro is not a "neoliberal" project but a profoundly "social liberal" one, but it is also a project that allows Germany to indulge in its long-suppressed desire to build an empire around itself. On balance I agree that Greece was on the road to becoming a colony, but not, I feel, of "corporate interests", but of Germany. The same is true of Italy, Spain and Portugal: unless they leave the Euro Zone they will slowly turn into German economic colonies too. Just be careful that you don't fall into the arms of a worse colonial power.
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I honestly don't know where Germany begins and corporate/banking interests end so yeah, you're right too. Merkel is such a ridiculous corporate puppet that whether you say Germany or corporate interests it's pretty much the same.
I completely disagree with the social liberal part though. That's what they sold to their people, a supposedly peaceful union of nations; in reality it's a union of banking and corporate interests waging war on the European middle and lower classes, USA style. It's a undemocratic union of ruling classes conspiring to screw us over and it's exactly how it was designed. Brussels nowadays is a city plagued with lobbyists constantly influencing politicians and EU decisions.
Your last sentence is the scary one. There are other countries and corporate oligarchies out there who might bring worse to the table. If Greece chooses to exit, it will be good for them to stay strong and fight for their independent economic survival.
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[–] TelescopiumHerscheli 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
I feel that you're probably right to vote "no", and I feel that the economic case against the Euro is strong. Specifically, I feel that the Euro Zone is not a "natural single currency zone". If Greece does leave the Euro it will face a difficult few years, but with time and hard work it should be possible to recover. That said, I feel you're wrong to cite Naomi Klein's conspiracy theories. I feel it's better to understand the Euro in the context of a specifically Germanic understanding of economic and social union that arises out of their particular history over the last few centuries, and in the context of a deep-seated French desire to (a) bind Germany and (b) yoke their economy to another large economy out of a desire for (economic) stability. In this context the Euro is not a "neoliberal" project but a profoundly "social liberal" one, but it is also a project that allows Germany to indulge in its long-suppressed desire to build an empire around itself. On balance I agree that Greece was on the road to becoming a colony, but not, I feel, of "corporate interests", but of Germany. The same is true of Italy, Spain and Portugal: unless they leave the Euro Zone they will slowly turn into German economic colonies too. Just be careful that you don't fall into the arms of a worse colonial power.
[–] Guerilla 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
I honestly don't know where Germany begins and corporate/banking interests end so yeah, you're right too. Merkel is such a ridiculous corporate puppet that whether you say Germany or corporate interests it's pretty much the same.
I completely disagree with the social liberal part though. That's what they sold to their people, a supposedly peaceful union of nations; in reality it's a union of banking and corporate interests waging war on the European middle and lower classes, USA style. It's a undemocratic union of ruling classes conspiring to screw us over and it's exactly how it was designed. Brussels nowadays is a city plagued with lobbyists constantly influencing politicians and EU decisions.
[–] Wafflebutt 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Your last sentence is the scary one. There are other countries and corporate oligarchies out there who might bring worse to the table. If Greece chooses to exit, it will be good for them to stay strong and fight for their independent economic survival.
[–] TelescopiumHerscheli 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
The obvious risk is Russia.
[–] pH_ 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
On the other hand, it sounds like a good day to be German