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[–] Chiefpacman 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Just live your life. Lay some logic on them when you can.

Personally I just try and stop conversing with those types of people. If you identify as a feminist, you're either ignorant or penis-envy, and the latter is pretty hard to fix.

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[–] Hmmm [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Well, the thing is, as I said in here, part of living my life is that I just can't stop myself from confronting bad ideas(perceived as bad by me, obviously).

I'm not trying to change the world or anything, it's just that I enjoy a good debate, and I'm usually pretty cut and dry about arguing with people, but something about this privilege narrative irks me to no end.

It's just so simplistic and so full of holes and contradictions that when I do meet a person really thinking in those terms I don't even know where to begin. Yes, there's privilege, various forms of it, but just going around denouncing people or making them feel bad because they happened to be born in more or less okay circumstances is in no way helpful or good.

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[–] Chiefpacman 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'm the same way man. Enjoy a good debate.

It's just most of the world would call that argumentative. Choose your battles is all I'm saying. I choose to attempt to educate those closest to me, except for the ones that clearly do not want it.

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[–] TurdLord5000 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I was watching Dave Chappelle's new special, and despite the usual rigmarole about how black people are persecuted for being black, he also said something very poignant in reference to the idea of 'privilege': "Just because I know there's a child starving in Ethiopia, doesn't mean I'm going to skip my lunch."

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[–] Hmmm [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Well, that's another thing they often mention, it's an argument form emotion. Whenever they mention that there are starving women and children(it's always children, what about starving men?) it's always some kind of shaming tactic.

How is it my fault that another country on the other end of the world is shit just because the country I was born in is decent and prosperous and I proper in it as well?

How the fuck am I responsible for the rest of the world being shit?

This is pure emotion, no argument.

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[–] Tancred 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

it's always children, what about starving men?

Adults can change something about their environments whereas children cannot. You could always imagine the adult being too lazy or not planning for the future, but the child has no such responsibilities. This pushes the argument to be purely emotional.

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[–] TurdLord5000 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Just curious, what's the situation that prevents you from avoiding such people? From what I can tell, the only tactic that has any result at all against that mindset is incessant trolling.

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[–] middle_path 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Ask them to identify their own privileges or point them out if they say they have none. Be ridiculous about it. Talk about their walking privilege, seeing privilege, etc. Mention things they were born with that they have no control over. If they fail to see the irony, they're too far gone.

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[–] Hmmm [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That's a good start. But many will then just say that yes, they have privilege, and that's somehow wrong or immoral, and we, as the privileged, need to do as much as possible to help those that are not.

And to some extent that's true. Countries have laws and programs that do help the disabled, that do make buses and building accessible for them, that make it easier for employers to employ them, and if a country is wealthy enough to do that then great, it should.

But how am I or anyone else responsible for people, let's say middle eastern, being poor, starving, or living in a war torn country?

At least if I was an american one could make an argument that my government meddled in the middle east, and that could have some legs I guess, though those might be a bit thin, but it does not work when talking in a context of countries that have almost nothing to do with those areas of the world.

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[–] wonkifier 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That's a good start. But many will then just say that yes, they have privilege, and that's somehow wrong or immoral,

Most of the ones I've talked to wouldn't hint at it being wrong or immoral.

They say we should do what we can do help, and not helping is wrong and immoral. But just having privilege isn't wrong or immoral.

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[–] middle_path 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yeah, it's just another dogmatic belief system. People will buy into it, or they will think for themselves.

I know my actions are my own, my sturgglew are my own. I am the only one truly responsible for those things. I apply the same to everyone else. There are people living in some quite awful conditions in this world, but I can't save everyone.

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[–] kujda 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I don't think it makes any sense to argue with the people who use "privilege" argument. I also live in an eastern European country and don't understand how am I privileged or maybe I am unprivileged - hell, no idea. Don't try to talk logic to stupid people, ther way of thinking is so strange you will get only frustrated and will achieve nothing. I read once a funny sentence: "Don't argue with an idiot - he will first pull you down to his level and then beat you with experience".

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[–] Hmmm [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Don't argue with an idiot - he will first pull you down to his level and then beat you with experience.

That's very true. I do find myself becoming too angry when confronting these people. It's like they are endless fountains of poor education and bad ideas. Every question you pose to them to better understand their worldview makes them vomit more and more nonsense.

I guess that is a partial answer to my own question, which might not be correct: when confronted by a stupid ideologue, don't argue, ask questions, make them explain their position in DETAIL so they make fools of themselves by themselves.

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[–] 8BigMacNMuhDietCoke 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I don't bother talking to these people. Life is too short, focus on stuff that is productive and makes you happy.

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[–] Hmmm [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That's probably the best advice here, really.

But then there's always this fear that if you don't confront them they'll just grow both bolder, and in numbers.

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[–] 8BigMacNMuhDietCoke 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If that's what you're after then arguing is not the way to go. They will just close up to hostility and cling to their beliefs. You have to get them to warm up to you and then drop the red pills. A good way to do that is just by asking a lot of questions about their beliefs which lead to the inevitable truth. Like Tucker Carlson does. Honestly I don't know your situation but it sounds like you might be going out to pick women up, you're young and single? If that's the case you can almost use this as a warning sign for crazy feminists to stay away from.

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[–] Hmmm [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I don't know about the resources part. Maybe.

What I usually see is pretty young people who just barely learned about the privilege narrative and they try to bash every nail-looking thing with the new hammer they've found. Even when the thing they are bashing doesn't need to be hammered at all.

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[–] oddjob 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

At least in America, the civil rights movement of the 60s is romanticized here. The protesters were fighting the good fight for equality. So women could leave abusive relationships and black people can finally get an education. And before that, kids hear stories about fighting Nazis, the ultimate evil. They hear these stories and want to fight evil too. The problem is that there isn't near as much evil around anymore(on top of the fact that evil is relative to your own beliefs and what may be evil to one is virtuous to another), so the kids basically invent adversaries to fight so that way they too will be able to tell stories about fighting evil when they get older.

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[–] Hmmm [S] 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Yuuup, I guess that's why the correct approach is just asking probing questions.

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[–] Aboresh 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

People who argue and yell at you because of your perceived privileged are just garbage people, they are weak and have done nothing with their lives and make excuses for their bad decisions.

Also, they're mostly women. I love women, I love most things about them, but they're sorta terrible and are easily lead astray with this sort of stupid shit.

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