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You're definitely right. I missed what you were asking, but I think there's a fair reason for that. To me it's a question with a self evident answer. I don't mean to say it's obvious, but rather that it's extremely subjective. For many people adventure and voyage are things in and of themselves. Not even things to tell people about, but things to do just for their own sake. I moved and live halfway around the world and have no public social media - I'm definitely not doing it to instagram some exotic food or imagecraft on facebook (really want to say fakebook, but I'm just not angsty enough). There's no true reason for it other than a desire to seek out new things. And there are plenty exactly along the same lines as myself from all sorts of very diverse backgrounds.
The goal of the early adventurers will be mostly people wanting to help be part of an entirely new colonization. These people will lay the foundation for people that would need a 'catch' to want to stay on the planet. I think the motivations for such will vary radically. Like you mentioned there will be definitely be a race for "firsts." Budweiser, of all companies, is already starting to carry out experiments determining what will be needed to brew beer on Mars (and on the way there), and for the sake of all that's sacred I really hope they're not the only option. Beyond that I think you'll have lots of hands on type people who enjoy solving problems and creating things. I imagine you'll also have many libertarian leaning individuals who see it as an opportunity to be part of something that will, all but certainly, end up with its own entirely distinct political system that will likely be left libertarianism.
In some ways today I think even SpaceX as a business is an example of this mindset. They are attracting some of the top engineering and computational talent in the world. Yet the pay is terrible relative to what these individuals could make elsewhere, the hours and work are absolutely brutal, and they'll never likely receive any personal accolades for what they're doing. It's just really enjoyable being a part of things that are important for many people - and I think colonizing another planet will be, by a wide margin, the single most important thing humanity has ever done.
Once the initial settlement and foundation are established then you have countless reasons for people to tour or visit it. Sports, science, and many other fields will offer opportunities and possibilities absolutely unlike anything on Earth. And the early colonization will have a very nice selection bias towards traits. You'll have tech minded people with an adventurous and freedom seeking personalities who have also shown themselves capable of playing our little game back on Earth well enough. Think of something like Silicon Valley. The main draw in such an area is really nothing but the people and the possibilities that entails. Then there will of course be everything from science to sports that will be unlike anything possible on Earth. Ultimately I think there will be [many] people who want to build 'it' and from there, if you build it they will come.
I definitely agree that complete self sustenance would be a longterm goal. There's a priority list a million items long and demanding self sustenance as immediately as possible would likely be incredibly inefficient. Though self 'reliance' as a sort of weaker version is definitely an immediate given. The orbits between the two planets are only optimally aligned for a window every couple of years. Future propulsion technologies might render this less relevant, but for now - the people that will go there won't be coming back any time soon.
There are countless opportunities. I mean things depend on your background, but even if you just have a solid appearance, a university degree, and speak English natively then you can find plenty of work. When I was first moved I was working online and moving also conveniently ended up increasing my effective income a healthy chunk as living expenses substantially declined. My wife got into teaching and decided to move to management.
You mentioned being involved the restaurant business and that's of course always another idea. Depending on where you're interested property prices are probably going to be a small fraction of the US. And as an expat you already have a niche. I've never looked into the statistics of it all, but at least anecdotally the failure rate of expat type restaurants and bars seems to be much lower than your normal failure rate in the US.
One thing's for certain though. You're going to get pretty poor information just relying on stuff advertised on the internet - let alone stuff being advertised in English. I think the best advice would be to take a holiday scouting things out and see if it's for you.
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[–] rwbj ago
You're definitely right. I missed what you were asking, but I think there's a fair reason for that. To me it's a question with a self evident answer. I don't mean to say it's obvious, but rather that it's extremely subjective. For many people adventure and voyage are things in and of themselves. Not even things to tell people about, but things to do just for their own sake. I moved and live halfway around the world and have no public social media - I'm definitely not doing it to instagram some exotic food or imagecraft on facebook (really want to say fakebook, but I'm just not angsty enough). There's no true reason for it other than a desire to seek out new things. And there are plenty exactly along the same lines as myself from all sorts of very diverse backgrounds.
The goal of the early adventurers will be mostly people wanting to help be part of an entirely new colonization. These people will lay the foundation for people that would need a 'catch' to want to stay on the planet. I think the motivations for such will vary radically. Like you mentioned there will be definitely be a race for "firsts." Budweiser, of all companies, is already starting to carry out experiments determining what will be needed to brew beer on Mars (and on the way there), and for the sake of all that's sacred I really hope they're not the only option. Beyond that I think you'll have lots of hands on type people who enjoy solving problems and creating things. I imagine you'll also have many libertarian leaning individuals who see it as an opportunity to be part of something that will, all but certainly, end up with its own entirely distinct political system that will likely be left libertarianism.
In some ways today I think even SpaceX as a business is an example of this mindset. They are attracting some of the top engineering and computational talent in the world. Yet the pay is terrible relative to what these individuals could make elsewhere, the hours and work are absolutely brutal, and they'll never likely receive any personal accolades for what they're doing. It's just really enjoyable being a part of things that are important for many people - and I think colonizing another planet will be, by a wide margin, the single most important thing humanity has ever done.
Once the initial settlement and foundation are established then you have countless reasons for people to tour or visit it. Sports, science, and many other fields will offer opportunities and possibilities absolutely unlike anything on Earth. And the early colonization will have a very nice selection bias towards traits. You'll have tech minded people with an adventurous and freedom seeking personalities who have also shown themselves capable of playing our little game back on Earth well enough. Think of something like Silicon Valley. The main draw in such an area is really nothing but the people and the possibilities that entails. Then there will of course be everything from science to sports that will be unlike anything possible on Earth. Ultimately I think there will be [many] people who want to build 'it' and from there, if you build it they will come.
I definitely agree that complete self sustenance would be a longterm goal. There's a priority list a million items long and demanding self sustenance as immediately as possible would likely be incredibly inefficient. Though self 'reliance' as a sort of weaker version is definitely an immediate given. The orbits between the two planets are only optimally aligned for a window every couple of years. Future propulsion technologies might render this less relevant, but for now - the people that will go there won't be coming back any time soon.
[–] Mathurin1911 ago
How, doing what, can I come visit, I mean, can I come live there as well!!
Erm, I mean, that sounds interesting, Ive been kind of wanting to do something similar, but I cant find a job that lets me do so.
[–] rwbj ago
There are countless opportunities. I mean things depend on your background, but even if you just have a solid appearance, a university degree, and speak English natively then you can find plenty of work. When I was first moved I was working online and moving also conveniently ended up increasing my effective income a healthy chunk as living expenses substantially declined. My wife got into teaching and decided to move to management.
You mentioned being involved the restaurant business and that's of course always another idea. Depending on where you're interested property prices are probably going to be a small fraction of the US. And as an expat you already have a niche. I've never looked into the statistics of it all, but at least anecdotally the failure rate of expat type restaurants and bars seems to be much lower than your normal failure rate in the US.
One thing's for certain though. You're going to get pretty poor information just relying on stuff advertised on the internet - let alone stuff being advertised in English. I think the best advice would be to take a holiday scouting things out and see if it's for you.