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That certainly seems to change the character of your question.
Many, possibly most pensions require a person to pay in for years before getting it. If you're talking about a very specific pension plan where you don't have to pay into it, that's different.
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Ah yes, supporting old people who deserve a rest after 45+ years of rest or are too frail to work is immoral. Let them wither and die in the streets. I wonder how fucked up a persons moral compass must be to think that.
The system can be sustained without increasing debt and it has worked in many countries without large debt levels. Pensions are only a fraction of most governmental budgets. If the population is increasing or stable the system pays for itself with no problem. You do run into a problem once the population starts declining but I believe it's not an unsolvable problem.
it's more of a pragmatic thing, in an ideal world everyone would get a sum of money for their work (valued fairly) and it would be up to the individual to save for retirement, and that individual would save an adequate amount
in reality...
"equal work = equal pay" is a myth, and I don't mean "muh wage gap" ... companies pay wildly different salaries based on location, even across relatively minor distances (i.e. between states). some fucker in NJ will earn 66% more than someone doing the exact same job in NM
most people are retarded, and would immediately blow their entire income on stupid shit and have zero savings. it's not really good to have hordes of destitute, homeless elderly people, so... mandatory retirement programs
even most intelligent people aren't that intelligent, so they save but they don't save enough, or they invest in something like real estate and get fucked when the economy burps
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[–] 8453540? 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
Most old people who spent 40-50 years paying into pensions might dispute the whole "pay without work" thing.
For them, it's more like an annuity.
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That certainly seems to change the character of your question.
Many, possibly most pensions require a person to pay in for years before getting it. If you're talking about a very specific pension plan where you don't have to pay into it, that's different.
[–] ponchoman275 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
Ah yes, supporting old people who deserve a rest after 45+ years of rest or are too frail to work is immoral. Let them wither and die in the streets. I wonder how fucked up a persons moral compass must be to think that.
The system can be sustained without increasing debt and it has worked in many countries without large debt levels. Pensions are only a fraction of most governmental budgets. If the population is increasing or stable the system pays for itself with no problem. You do run into a problem once the population starts declining but I believe it's not an unsolvable problem.
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[–] freethrowup ago
Unless your dealing with the government.
[–] porncounselor ago
it's more of a pragmatic thing, in an ideal world everyone would get a sum of money for their work (valued fairly) and it would be up to the individual to save for retirement, and that individual would save an adequate amount
in reality...
"equal work = equal pay" is a myth, and I don't mean "muh wage gap" ... companies pay wildly different salaries based on location, even across relatively minor distances (i.e. between states). some fucker in NJ will earn 66% more than someone doing the exact same job in NM
most people are retarded, and would immediately blow their entire income on stupid shit and have zero savings. it's not really good to have hordes of destitute, homeless elderly people, so... mandatory retirement programs
even most intelligent people aren't that intelligent, so they save but they don't save enough, or they invest in something like real estate and get fucked when the economy burps