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[–] Ciscogeek 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago  (edited ago)

where people just get hauled off

NDAA allows for literally that. Right-less black bagging of US citizens if deemed a 'threat'.

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[–] anonnynonny 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Along with @Ciscogeek's NDAA comment...

Chicago police covertly detained more than 7,000 people at a secret interrogation warehouse [...]

Of the 7,185 arrestees questioned at Homan Square between 2004 and 2015, only 68 were allowed access to legal counsel [...]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/chicago-cops-detained-7-000-secret-interrogation-center-article-1.2404256

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[–] freethrowup 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

“If you’re laboring under the assumption that your client’s at Homan, there really isn’t much you can do as a lawyer. You’re shut out. It’s guarded like a military installation,” Gaeger said.

I'm not pretending to know anything about law, but there is a thing called Habeas Corpus.

Any prisoner, or another person acting on his or her behalf, may petition the court, or a judge, for a writ of habeas corpus. One reason for the writ to be sought by a person other than the prisoner is that the detainee might be held incommunicado.

It's a shocking story. I feel like we're (I'm) missing some info on it.

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[–] LivingInNavarre 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Looks at the list of groups being considered to be put on the Domestic Terror list during the last administration [Tea Party, Constitution Party, etc] and all the talk of passing laws against climate deniers. It's not a stretch to realize all the spying on Trump wasn't to defeat him. Remember, she had it in the bag. It was to start the great purge by first taking down the idol of Middle America Man. If the Great Purge didn't force us into submission well it seems the CIA has more than enough toys to effectively stop any new crusader.

More and more I'm beginning to think we dodged a huge bullet with Trump winning.

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[–] Precipitate 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm sure that as soon as they're able to analyze all of the surveillance data automatically they'll begin rounding us up.

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[–] Riva 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

absolutely not. there are things we're literally not allowed to talk about on parts of the internet. that's fucking insanity.

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[–] 8352965? 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

What about all the single retired schoolteachers who suffer strange violent deaths and then have their property go, first to a group such as the Nature Conservancy, then to local developers? Where do we place them among the "disappeared"?

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[–] hels 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Please post links as google is not turning up much for me.

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[–] molehairz 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

How do you know? You think if they were hauling people away to FEMA camps they'd be broadcasting it on the evening news?

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[–] gazillions 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It would have been the next step though if not for the Trump win. It's the only way for totalitarian governments to stay in power.

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[–] 8348383? 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Not really. It's more a mix of Orwell's 1984 and Huxley's Brave New World. We're being flooded with nonsensical news from a variety of sources, all of whom are owned by the same large corporations, pushing both narratives, and then people are at a point where they side with one particular viewpoint or the other. The entire point is to put people in a constant state of confusion. In most cases, people pick the stories that validate their pre-existing beliefs (confirmation bias). People don't care about things that are important anymore as they're distracted by reality television, games consoles and other things, and it is at this point that our governments push through legislation and make moves to either strengthen their control or make token gesture concessions that demographics, often minority groups in society, see as large wins when in reality they're just smokescreen tactics used to obscure the serious political moves being made. For example, gay marriage might be legalised but behind the scenes they'll pass through legislation that imposes much more control on the lives of everyone. Who is really winning?

Look at the themes in Brave New World.

  1. Control over technology has allowed censorship and governments to further control the narrative
  2. Our society is more divided and more consumerist focused - divisions due to political moves (divide and conquer)
  3. Incompatibility of happiness and truth - this is where liberals are - they can't accept the truth as it doesn't make them happy (safe spaces do - ignorance really can be blissful)
  4. An all powerful state maintains control through the media and marketing pushing everything onto us on a subconscious level

Basically, our society has become more confused, divided, ignorant of the truth and reality, naive and materialistic. This is a great way to maintain control as divided societies, families and people broken on a mental level cannot mobilise or form resistance.

In addition to the above, you have the Orwellian side. Freedom of speech is under threat by people that want to control thought and speech, words have been invented in the last few decades to label and demonise others. Nobody was an Islamophobe in the 1950's because the word simply didn't exist. These are new words brought into play to further control people and if you don't go along with the narrative, you will have your character assassinated or you'll be offed, depending upon the traction and support you gain. One way or another, they'll try to silence you.

Then there's internet surveillance and the increasing use of CCTV in many Western nations, as well as cooperation with large companies to get location data and this can then be used to identify where you were and what you may have been doing. There's also the NSA and GCHQ.

So think about it: we live in a society where the narrative is controlled from the onset, our understanding of history is fed to us, freedom of speech and thought are controlled, we're spied on, we're being tracked via technology on numerous levels, censorship is rife, communities and families are divided, people don't really know what to think anymore and many don't care as they're too busy playing video games or watching television (those that do and speak out are demonised or magically disappear) and we're constantly being force fed the latest consumerist bullshit to spend money, or enter debt, and keep the cycle going to increase the riches of those running the entire show.

We live in a fake world of total bullshit and anyone that cries out for a dose of realism is made to look like a lunatic but the mentally ill ones are those that buy into this bullshit and are continuously living a lie. They're being controlled by both pleasure and imposed authority. If you fall in line and enjoy your pleasures you will be fine. If you don't then the authority comes along to put you back on the pleasure path. If you still keep going and refuse to give in you end up having your character assassinated to the point where most people won't find you credible or actually being made to disappear before you gain traction.

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[–] kmojo 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I think his statement is validated by behavior we are seeing. I don't see a push to ignore, hide, or villainize facts from the conservative side like i do on the liberal side. I only see Liberals using and manipulating terms like "hate speech" to control what information is allowed. it is not hypocritical to point out that we are divided and then say that one side is acting differently than the other. a person has to be be willfully ignorant to not see that one side is on the side of free speech/thinking, and the other is not.

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

at least the horrible government in 1984 was competent and efficient, our irl horrible government is a embarrassing mess that's in crippling debt who can't meme for shit even when they assemble a full team of experts with a generous budget. Reality was a mistake.

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[–] pissed 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

"at least the horrible government in 1984 was competent and efficient,". You obviously haven't read the book.

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[–] Rainy-Day-Dream 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

i mean it had it's problems, but i meant relative to our government so he bar is quite low

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[–] something_went_wrong 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I don't recall Orwell ever described any unintended inefficiencies in his fantasy government. The closest thing I remember from the book is that the government relied on citizens to report thought-crime when their regular perpetual surveillance apparatus failed. An example given is when someone's kid narced on their parents.

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[–] GaslightCoffee 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It was competently inefficient and efficiently incompetent. Avoiding that for the common people was the goal after all.

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[–] slickleg64 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This, the more people realize how incompetent the government really is, the easier it would be to change it.

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[–] hwong 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Happened already in my circle of friends. Had a friend who was posting anti-gov stuff, conspiracy stuff on his website. after a few weeks, low and behold a pair of sheriffs cars rollup looking for him for a "safety check" After a three hour chat with them they let my friend go. A few weeks go by, friend still posting stuff. sheriffs roll by again, tell him to knock it off or he goes to jail. (never heard by what charge this would happen) I chat with the sheriffs while they are "interviewing him" the second time and come to find out, they were tipped off from the states fusion center and they wanted to get a "feel" for him and his "threat level" This was in idaho btw... it is happening....

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[–] DoomMantia 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I don't think it's such a stretch. My own country (Argentina) once had a dictatorial right wing government that made people disappear for the thought crime of being left wing.

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[–] Plavonica 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Well, not disappeared per say, but do you remember the Chicago black-site the police used and all the fucked up shit that went on there? Would you notice if a random person in Kansas was arrested and held indefinitely if the media was told to keep silent on it?

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