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[–] decompyler 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

Can I ask why you think you are entitled to other people's money?

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[–] musicalbaboon 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I personally argue for welfare as everyone benefits. Business owners are better when everyone can afford to purchase their products (we know that for the rich, after a point you stop spending money on consumables and put it into investments and shit). Everyone is better off if we don't have homeless everywhere, if we don't have people turning to crime to get a meal. I currently get welfare whilst I'm studying. The numbers show that, when I get a job out of my degree (it's not in gender studies), I will pay back more in tax over my lifetime than I would if I'd simply stayed on the career path my lack of degree would lead to.

It also seems to be the case that, for those in long term poverty, it's a fuck load harder to get back into the workforce. Just imagine going to job interviews in an ill fitting goodwill suit, shoes that can no longer be cleaned up... Most jobs also require having your own transport. Selling the car to pay for heat makes you unemployable. It's also expected that you would have a phone and internet access. Having the money to be able to afford these sorts of things means people can get back into the workforce.

You just have to make sure welfare puts people above poverty, but not comfortable. You also need to make sure it comes with some enforceable efforts to get back into the work force.

Similar arguments exist for universal health care. You want people to go to their GP at the first sign of trouble, when an issue can be fixed with one prescription, not show up in the ER 3 months later when the cost of intervention goes up exponentially.

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[–] decompyler ago 

There are voluntary ways to pay for these social programs you desire.