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[–] fleas 1 points 210 points (+211|-1) ago 

The trolls weren't targeted. The trolls help run that place

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[–] odinist 0 points 61 points (+61|-0) ago 

That's the damn truth.

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[–] SpookyTJ 4 points 144 points (+148|-4) ago 

Fatpeoplehate wasn't trolls though. They were trying to carve out a place for themselves to vent their frustration with like minded people. The moderators in that sub were draconian with their enforcement of the rules and honestly, when the sub got off on tangents the people were incredible and empathetic and generally awesome. Their one exception was for fat people, whose body served as a billboard, broadcasting their laziness and selfishness for all to see.

In addition, the people not involved in fph that came over were the idealists looking for their utopia, not trolls looking for lulz

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[–] misopwnia 1 points 49 points (+50|-1) ago 

/agree

Pointing out someone is obese is not trolling. It was probably a dick move 40 years ago when the majority of people were normal weight, but nowadays it is a fucking crusade to try to fix the health of the USA (among other countries).

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[–] rocky14 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

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[–] polkadotgirl 1 points 36 points (+37|-1) ago 

I lurked fph a lot. I don't know if it was just morbid curiosity or what. The thing is, I never saw any of the harassment that Reddit was claiming. What about cringe and cringpics? What about delusional artists? I would have felt just as embarrassed to appear on those boards as FPH.

I'm not saying it is right to hate fat people, but people should have a right to hate.

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[–] Sydviciouz 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I saw more people being actively racist all over reddit, and I don't remember any times where I saw fatpeoplehate leaking into reddit. Yet, coontown is still around. They could at least try to be consistent.

I just can't believe people are so sensitive now that you can't even make fat jokes anymore.

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[–] fry_hole 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

What I don't understand is why there all the sudden seem to be a lot of people who believe FPH was an altruistic campaign to help people. I obviously don't like that it was banned (hence why I'm not on reddit) but its pretty clear there was a lot of hateful venting there. Which again, is totally fine IMO.

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[–] Featherfall 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yeah. They didn't ban it for the reasons they were giving.

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[–] Leopold 1 points 30 points (+31|-1) ago 

I couldn't have said it better. Here on Voat it feels like home, and at home I'm nice to everyone.

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[–] warkin 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

Many people realized that nuking FPH was just a start, and things were likely to go down hill from there.

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[–] bscoder 0 points 103 points (+103|-0) ago 

Reddit didn't just drive away people who hate fat people, they drove away lots of people who simply feel that those people should be allowed to hate fat people if they want.

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[–] well_golly 1 points 114 points (+115|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I agree, and I'm an overweight guy who found a new home on Voat because I want a place that allows everyone to be themselves, warts and all.

Plus some people who (gasp!) hate fat people (how dare they!) - actually have other qualities about them that are truly nice.

My grandfather, for example, was racist as hell (he was a product of his times, born in the late 19th century). But he was also very funny and extremely gifted at mathematics. I know people who might applaud the bulldozing of Palestinian homes, but are actually quite caring in other parts of their lives. People are complicated.

John Lennon abused one of his wives for a while, but his music was amazing and he was a peace activist. Bill Cosby was a pretty great stand up comedian for a "clean" act, but it is now believed that he also sexually assaulted several women. Let's not forget that Al Gore is staunchly pro-censorship, and he was pro-censorship from very early on. Woody Allen is one of the greatest comedic film makers of his era, but he married a woman in her 20s who was much younger than him at the time, and he used to date that woman's nutjob mom - so he's considered "creepy" (they've been happily married for about 18 years now, btw).

If we look at other people in ways that define them by an act or a group affiliation, we miss the human complexity. There were 150,000 people subb'ed to FPH. I bet some of them gave money to no-kill dog shelters. I bet some of them saved people's lives on a regular basis. Some of them were probably fairly active in advancing gay rights. They had more ideas in their heads than that single "FPH" aspect of their thoughts. The most interesting people I know tend to have an annoying side or even a side that makes you cringe once in a while, but that's just the way it is.

tl;dr: FPHers are complex people, and they contributed to other subreddits besides FPH. In fact, being a member of a somewhat niche subreddit like FPH means they were probably rather active users of Reddit. I don't doubt that many of them still remain there. There's a very good chance that at some time all of us have read some "unrelated" posting or another, made by someone from FPH, and nodded and upvoted, and said "I like the cut of this guy's jib!"

Side note: I'm overweight, and some FPHers were actually mean to me once, but I really don't care. I know enough to see that many of them may be decent and even interesting people in other areas of their lives.

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[–] eulogyjones 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

That was an incredibly beautiful writeup of how complex people are and can be.

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[–] sleepyhappysneezydoc 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

My only regret is that I only have one upvoat to give.

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[–] goonie 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

this. you made some extremely valid points. people don't realize that people are people. they have their weaknesses and their strengths. they'd rather look downward than inward. i won't miss the reddit hivemind. hypocritical and quick to judge and elevate themselves above another and silence their opposition. it's all about the witch hunt and pitchforks over on reddit. people on voat seem to welcome differences and may not agree with you, but at least here they let you have your own perspective and the community isn't afraid of people figuring out stuff for themselves rather than conform to whatever they're told to do.

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[–] rockyTron 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Thanks for your comment, you've put into words somewhat eloquently an idea that I've tried to advocate for years but is difficult to explain to someone who is hellbent on being offended by your opinion. I feel the same way about many people in my life... Family, friends, work acquaintances... It's such a waste to discount someone based on one flawed opinion (my own mother is an antivaxxer for chrissakes, I still love her to death no matter what) when there is always something to love in everyone's whole person.

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[–] voiceofflawedlogic 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

Yup. By shadowbanning people who may hold contradictory opinions (gun control, for example) and are able to express them succinctly. In a sense, Reddit is becoming a propaganda machine. That worries me. I prefer free thought and the ability to express my thoughts in an open forum. I'd also like for people to tell me when my logic is flawed, and explain why it is flawed without resorting to insults and brigading to make sure my ideas are buried deeper than a hamplanet's bellybutton.

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[–] goonie 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

this is the perfect articulation of my thoughts on censorship. i couldn't agree more with every single thing you said. i wish i could give more upgoats.

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[–] theotherguy 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

That's me, I'm here not because of the hypocrisy or a hate of fat people, I'm here because that amount of censorship is stupid.

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[–] lbruiser 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I'm in this camp. I really didn't care one way or another about fph guys. I am against shadowbaning. I really like how reddit s voting system works so I couldn't just leave for day infinachan. Saw my opportunity to leave with this and took it. Glad I did.

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[–] redikulous 0 points 61 points (+61|-0) ago 

I think a large majority of the population that has moved over to voat is more so the people who care about freedom of speech and want to promote content and community on a site that allows that to flow freely.

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[–] rockyTron 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

"Forced narrative". What a deliciously succinct way to describe the influence of reddit and its hive mind on the lost art of discussion.

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[–] TypicalRedditor 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Honestly I haven't seen this kind of censorship since Nazi Germany. Heil Pao

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[–] RedSocks157 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

Because the "trolls" were really just normal people.

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[–] NassTee 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

I find that offensive! I'm a troll and I'm not a normal person at all.

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[–] RedSocks157 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Good thing this isn't reddit, or I could be banned for offending you Mr. Troll!

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[–] Reed_Solomon 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

exactly. I troll when theres a nice opportunity to troll, but you can't force it, man.

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[–] Managalar 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

They wanted to create a safe place for advertising. Just like Digg before, and here we are.

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[–] ThatWasClassy 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I'm honestly surprised more people don't start drawing parallels to the Digg to Reddit conversion. That shit didn't happen overnight, but one day I'm sure Digg admins turned around, and there was nobody there (well, rather a very niche community was left).

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[–] iDontShift 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

interesting to note the lack of propagandic bullshit that makes the front page everyday on reddit.

the enforced perspective is just mind-numbing.

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[–] karmasuture 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I sort it felt it happening, on reddit, about 3 years ago. Just seemed.......suddenly less natural.

And now that I'm here, my rare visits back there just flat make me sick - it's turbo shilling and politics absolutely everywhere.

Orwell really was right in a sense.

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[–] HilariouslyViolent 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Huxley really was right in a sense.

FTFY. It's less 1984 and more Brave New World.

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[–] Opposite_Santa 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

We have the advantage of being a fairly new, small community. So advertisers probably either don't know about us or don't care (yet) because the community is too small to invest time into.

I wonder how many shill and advertiser accounts post on reddit. I'm sure I wou be surprised by the number.

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[–] iDontShift 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

it will require conscious effort on our part to prevent it, i saw it happen, i called it out, and for a time it worked, it was after we lost aaron that we began to lose ground...

that is why i seek an open standard that is grounded in ideas of that would itself withstand such pressures. develpping these before we get to big is crucial or we will find history repeating itself and forced to start again... learn from the past or doomed to repeat it...

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[–] ThatWasClassy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I find that large forums like Reddit and Voat have actually encouraged me to drop into subjects I wouldn't otherwise come across. Whether by following someones links, or by randomly scanning comments of people I find interesting. It's how I stumbled into Unity and Unity2D way back in the day. It's how I stumbled into FPH, which eventually lead me to research and focus on what I eat way more. It's honestly how I've stumbled into a lot of random tidbits of information and inspiration over the last 5 years.

The interconnection is important for that chance discovery, you know?

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