[–] bdmthrfkr 20 points 75 points (+95|-20) ago 

The European Race was the founder of Western Civilization. Can we all agree with that? Is there a problem with that statement?

Western Civilization is, in my opinion the defining culture of progress, both politically and technologically. Are we still together here? Hmm?

No other race invented what Europeans (my forefathers, who fought and dies to protect their way of life) did. Sure, if you have brown skin that is not a mark against you but it is up to you to beg to be included in the culture that Europeans developed.

Otherwise fuck off, we owe you nothing.

[–] carlinco 12 points 28 points (+40|-12) ago 

The cradle of modern civilisation was mostly the area around modern day Iraq. That's where farming started, where the first 'modern' religions formed, the first writing systems, where knowledge from east, west, and south was collected and all the good stuff was carried to the rest of the world. And so on.

Greece was the first advanced European civilisation - and all of a sudden so advanced it's unbelievable, judging by Epikur or by the Antikythera mechanism. And was eventually destroyed by a far less advanced Rome, which then was destroyed from the inside by a primitive governing system, and finished off by European barbarians.

Only when those backward barbarians got threatened by the Muslims did they start learning from them. At the same time, dry conditions in the Middle East and other factors made those areas grow less, while new farming methods in the north led to a population explosion.

The Chinese, first with the Huns, then with the Mongols, nearly overran us. Which would have stopped the European age dead in its tracks. And were stopped by pure luck, not by our non-existing skills or weapons at the time. And they brought us paper, explosives, and so on. It's actually a miracle that from 800 to 1800, they stagnated on pretty much the same level, which we only surpassed in the middle of the industrial revolution, and only thanks to dirty tricks like opium trade.

We'd probably still be a backwater farming region (all praying to Allah by now) if it wasn't for Averroes and other brilliant thinkers, which gave us the knowledge of Greece and some new knowledge added in the meantime by others, preparing the way for the Renaissance. Some great luck helped, too - like establishing smiths in every town, probably only thanks to the British taking part in the crusades, who were already used to the masses using weapons, while the rest of the world preferred weapons technology in a few select hands.

While the Muslim world, for inexplicable reasons (and because the Mongols destroyed the ivory tower of the world at the time, Baghdad), turned their backs on their best thinkers and deteriorated into dictatorships, infighting, and stagnation - probably also partly because of desertification.

Only since the renaissance did we actually have a few advantages over others - at that time mostly in thinking and economics, not so much technologically. It was already enough to discover the whole world, to prosper from trade routes to all corners of the world, and so on.

The Spanish kicked the Jews out, who, as they were not allowed to work in traditional areas, helped create banks and markets, among others; making possible the spread of modern banking and trading from Italy to the rest of Europe, whereby interestingly, every step further north added new advances - see Netherlands in the 1600s, or Britain from 1688.

And only with the industrial revolution and enlightenment did we actually leave everyone else completely in the dust - which is the reason why Europe was suddenly not only having some outposts and barely managed territories, but actual colonies everywhere. And could take over the territories of the more isolated and therefore less developed people all over the world.

During the whole time, the Chinese and Japanese actually kept up quite well. The Indians and Egyptians would have, if colonial powers hadn't deliberately kept them down. It's likely the industrial and scientific revolution would have started there if the Netherlands had lost a war too many, and William of Orange had never happened.

And Europe is nothing special anymore since the two world wars destroyed all its advantages. Europe's standard of living is not higher than in many other places in the world. New technology is barely coming out of it. And so on.

That all is now with the US - not least due to all the bankers, scientists, and other talents who left Europe when it only used them as scapegoats for everything going wrong.

[–] ForgotMyName 4 points 17 points (+21|-4) ago 

Thank you for the rebuttal. All this nonsense about Europe being independently awesome with no mention of Asia is completely idiotic.

[–] ICweiner 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 


Upvoated and saved.

This is probably the most honest and unbiased rundown of foreign politics i've ever seen.

Brief and beautiful.

[–] salsamang 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Epic narrative

[–] CobraStallone 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Only since the renaissance did we actually have a few advantages over others

I'm sorry, the Greeks and the basis of philosophy, mathematics, democracy, out ideal canons of the human body, is that for nothing? The Late Republic Early Imperial professional legionnaire and their impressive organization? Better than most. Better than everybody except the Han Chinese core during a few peaks of high population but stable centralized states.

So yeah we rule, sorry about that.

[–] SeemsReasonable 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

I agree with op and I agree with you. Where does that leave me?

[–] KEK_is_truth 1 points 39 points (+40|-1) ago  (edited ago)

The best way to judge individuals is by their actions.

However the best way to judge groups is by the average actions of that group.

So while 'not giving as fuck about someones race' is both good and accurate, applying the same concept to entire groups is spectacularly dangerous and irrational.

Found four more PTES, disregard them





tehyucc, continue

[–] q0p 5 points 10 points (+15|-5) ago 

Good man...

[–] Ho-Chi-Min-Me 12 points 6 points (+18|-12) ago 

Egypt to Greece to Rome is the foundation of Western Civilization. I would say that's far more Mediterranean than European.

Also, you didn't do shit, your ancestors did.

[–] bdmthrfkr 5 points 10 points (+15|-5) ago 

Please look at a map and then get back to us. Thank you.

[–] carlinco 3 points 8 points (+11|-3) ago 

And there's far more Persian and other Asian influence in that than we acknowledge.

[–] MrPim 16 points 45 points (+61|-16) ago 

Same. I judge each individual. I've known people from all over the world and all races. Some were good, nice people. Others were cunts.

[–] klobos 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago 

Agreed. Don't judge people on their race, culture, or nationality. Everyone is an individual. However, don't be shocked when they conform to the stereotypes. Stereotypes are around for a reason.

[–] Shoahshekelmeister 7 points 5 points (+12|-7) ago 

People who say that are the ones who live far away from the "hoods".

[–] MrPim 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

Oh no. I live inside a mid sized city which like many suffered from out sourcing and off shoring. Believe me the hood is all around me. While I don't live in the worst part, it's easy to get to.

[–] TheTrigger 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You mean those who conform to the country's ideals and abandon their worthless baggage? Yeah. Exactly. More people need to do that.

[–] Hindex [S] 6 points -1 points (+5|-6) ago 

I've heard your opinion before on Voat. It's not true at all. Plenty of us lived in ghettoes and didn't become racist.

[–] TheTrigger 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Yip. Life's a crapshoot. You might run in to only magic negroes, mostly rich Asians, and a lot of studious Latinos.

With all things considered, IQ distribution is pretty irrelevant. You can only live as best of a life as you can. Focus on that, and deal with the other shit as it happens. That's my motto.

[–] bbylon 6 points 19 points (+25|-6) ago  (edited ago)

Evolution has divided us in the sense that different races acquire different personality and physical traits for survival.

Africans generally have lower IQ, therefore they are more likely to earn riches through crime when they are placed in a society with a higher average IQ.

Jews are generally very racially aware, this means that they will judge you based on your race. If they're religious they'll have a different moral compass (There's nothing wrong with swindling the goyim).

Asians have a different shame culture than whites. Instead of feeling shame over doing something morally wrong they'll feel shame when they're caught.

Whites will generally lie to themselves and others to strengthen their own narrative.

For these reasons among others I will judge you based on your race. however, that doesn't mean that I can't work with you or be your friend.

[–] downtownchinatown 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Whites will generally lie to themselves and others to strengthen their own narrative.

That applies to everyone

[–] Shoahshekelmeister 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

underrated post.

[–] q0p 7 points 15 points (+22|-7) ago  (edited ago)

I used to be that way until my wife was attacked by a nigger... That was the straw but there was a million other things before that I ignored. Eventially you or someone you love will get burned HARD and you will start to change your mind. They can instantly snap and commit ultra-violence... other races can as well but it is MUCH less likely. It happened to me.

[–] bourbonexpert 4 points 5 points (+9|-4) ago 

toally agree..i was never attacked, but i have worked with enough of them and seen them in public in large groups to know to stay away.

if i continued to lie to myself im certian i would have eventually been attacked.

[–] q0p 3 points 8 points (+11|-3) ago 

It's like hanging out with lions at the watering hole... As long as they are not hungry you are safe...

[–] clockwise 3 points 15 points (+18|-3) ago 

I've discovered I hate assholes. They come in every sex, size and color. Otherwise I'm good.

[–] America-first 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Does anyone ignore an evolutionary survival tactics?

[–] Hindex [S] 14 points 0 points (+14|-14) ago 

You mean like eating as much sugar as possible?

[–] zoveighkuX 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Teach me these tactics, wise purveyor of IP packets.

[–] pissed 3 points 8 points (+11|-3) ago 

I take people on an individual basis. Race, nationality or sex have nothing to do with how I feel. I try not to put people in groups as I realize, from personal experience, that labels usually don't fit. My main concern in individuals is mostly intelligence and personality. Unfortunately most people disappoint me.

[–] physicscat 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago 

I don't care. I see people as individuals not a group. I loathe identity politics.

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