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[–] obliviousvoatgoat 2 points 31 points (+33|-2) ago 

Why are police covering up the mass raping of children and then prosecuting people for being angry at those guilty rape gangs?

Why do I have vote for my country to bring in people who share a culture with those rape gangs if I want to vote left-wing at all?

Why are left-leaning people constantly and shamelessly being hypocritical by using their own special contradictory definitions of words like 'racist', 'sexist', and 'bigot' when attacking others and then reverting to the classic definition when it suits them?

Why is everyone constantly taught about the Holocaust but never about the Holodomor or The Great Leap Forward?

Why am I being banned from supposedly bipartisan forums for being against homosexual marriage at all?

Why are many left-wing atheists only pro-science when it's an excuse to attack Christian values and yet happily ignore science when it contradicts feminist doctrine regarding race and sex?

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[–] Editedbyspez 1 points 14 points (+15|-1) ago 

And the tipping point is: why am I indoctrinated into thinking this way.

From day one in school, I was taught such skewed opinions on the facts of history. When I realized that, I wanted a strong nation with local social programs. Strong nations are usually conservative and nationalistic.

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[–] nakk 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I don't even understand what's wrong with nationalism. I've heard it cited as the power that Hitler abused to commit the Holocaust but that's such a weak argument. That would be like saying a gas pedal causes car crashes.

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[–] Fahrvergnaked 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

Why do I have vote for my country to bring in people who share a culture with those rape gangs if I want to vote left-wing at all?

Why are left-leaning people constantly and shamelessly being hypocritical by using their own special contradictory definitions of words like 'racist', 'sexist', and 'bigot' when attacking others and then reverting to the classic definition when it suits them?

Why are many left-wing atheists only pro-science when it's an excuse to attack Christian values and yet happily ignore science when it contradicts feminist doctrine regarding race and sex?

Boom. My only regret is that I have but one upvoat to give to this post. Bravo.

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[–] jerrykantrell [S] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I understand your rant and sympathize with you even as a non-christian, homosexual 'marriage' tolerating, atheist. I don't think Voat will ever ban you for being against gay marriage.

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[–] swiftpaw12 1 points 24 points (+25|-1) ago 

Honestly, I'm not sure I did anything. One day I woke up and all the other liberals had started calling me a Nazi.

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[–] ohnellie 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

According to my manager, Trump voters didn't vote because of race, but they're all racist by association. Thanks, bitch.

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[–] Aboresh 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

^This right here. I didn't change, modern "liberals" are all a bunch of godless communists.

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[–] FeathersMcGraw 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

Same. "If you're right-leaning when you're 20 you have no heart. If you're left-leaning when you're 50 you have no brains."

But seriously, when we're young we see what's "wrong" with the world and want to change it. As we get older we see that the world is like that for good reason.

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[–] Slayfire122 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

TIL I have no heart.

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[–] ohnellie 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Not a bad thing. One of the best compliments I ever received was on a response I had to write about a book. My teacher called me "heartless, but practical". Love that man

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[–] jerrykantrell [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Perfect, exactly how I feel, after a lot of real life experience.

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[–] 7ooo7 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The big change for me was watching how Obama put the finishing touches on W. Bush's total destruction of civil liberties after promising the very opposite, along with learning about the federal reserve and how its criminal machinations have damned us all to a life of servitude.

I came to realize that politicians will tell you anything to convince you that more government is the solution to what ails society, but I could see how the blurred lines between our fiscal, social, and political policies within the government was the very source of the problems these technocrats kept promising to solve via more government intervention. Mike Maloney's "hidden secrets of money" series was instrumental in fostering a better understanding of the corrupt financial underpinnings to the monster we call government. The other stuff just sort of fell into place.

Also, once I realized how LBJs Great Society (and the welfare state in general) was actually intended and designed to repress people under the guise of empowering them, and then seeing how endless money printing bankrolled bread and circuses for the dumb masses and profitable wars for the globalists, I realized the biggest problem we face is government, political demagogues, and centralized planning (the calling cards of neo liberalism/neo conservatism).

I still consider myself a liberal, but in the traditional sense of the word (i.e., classical liberalism). In today's discourse in US politics, that aligns me most closely with libertarianism, I suppose.

What people refer to today as "liberal", I think of as technocratic. What they often brand conservatism, I call authoritarianism. Both terms are so divorced from their original meanings, most of the time I have to use the context of what people are saying to figure out what ideology they really support. The way most people think of the two terms, you can almost always interchange technocracy with authoritarianism. Two sides of the same repressive coin.

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[–] ohnellie 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I still can't believe that I ever believed that the solution to ending corruption in politics was to give the government more power. Derp

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[–] GiantMeteor2016 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What's wrong with a technocracy? Actual scientists running the show, doesn't sound half bad.

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[–] 7ooo7 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

For one, many scientists are bought and paid for by the system and follow an orthodoxy just as bad as any religious extremist. They will often follow their own erroneous beliefs (or compromise their integrity to chase grant money) despite all evidence to the contrary. There are numerous examples of them being just as biased, flawed, and corruptible as the rest of us.

Ex) there are ecologists who were convinced for decades that overgrazing was leading to deforestation and that the solution was to protect fragile biomes from grazing animals, to the extent they were slaughtering massive amounts of elephants (an endangered species), only to realize they were wrong after decades of doing so, but facing an uphill battle in convincing other stubborn experts in their fields to open their minds and entertain the possibility that they might be wrong.

https://youtu.be/vpTHi7O66pI

^ even that guy might be shilling, but I link the video just as an example

2) technocrats aren't necessarily scientists. They are experts in their fields, and how do you become an expert in your field? Work for decades in that industry, often becoming biased and corrupted in the process. Just look at Washington's penchant for appointing Goldman Sachs executives as Treasury Secretary, as if their time at that corrupt business somehow means they will be a good public servant. To the contrary, they are often extremely corrupt and use their access to power to enrich themselves and their friends. Case in point: Henry Paulsen during the 07-08 financial crisis bailing out the big investment banks while allowing some of Goldman's major competitors to fail.

Also, just look at how Goldman fudged the numbers to allow Greece to join the EU, then decades later, we saw a series of Goldman technocrats ruling Greece and using austerity and bailouts as grounds to carve up the Greek infrastructure and tangible assets.

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[–] Throwingtothewolves 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I know it is Ayn Rand, and I know that her novels are thick as bricks.

This is a short novella by her, and not a hard read that explains why very well. The end is wonky, but the point is still valid.

http://www.noblesoul.com/orc/texts/anthem/complete.html

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[–] Boyakasha 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

The people make the place. Send Europeans anywhere and you will have a first world standard of living. Send equator-based cultures anywhere and they bring the third world with them.

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[–] Bill_Murrays_Sandals 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

In my younger days I would've considered myself left/liberal, but just looking at the state of the modern left and how it has descended into fucking irrational, illogical, ridiculousness over the last couple of years it is hard to support such a retarded bunch of faggots.

Even just a quick glance at the ideological components of Feminism, SJW thinking, BLM, the regressive left's opinions, Hillary etc is enough to make you run a mile. If you do your research and are not repelled you need your head checked.

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[–] gazillions 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I was liberal. The insanity of allowing the corporations to run countries was too much. The massive immigration was based on nothing good for the immigrants or the people in the countries taking them in. and it really pissed me off that it was a deliberate manipulation. They went too far with social justice bullying and loss of freedom for everybody else. I realized they were bat shit insane and were using really unbalanced, sick people to be their cheerleaders. Their hypocrisy became too much and they were absolutely mercenary in their selfishness. Plus the way they help the downtrodden hurts them.

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[–] Sonic 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I get get along better with conservatives and such than I do liberals. I am, however, an incredible left-heavy liberal. The reason I don't get along with other liberals is because I'm also hugely libertarian at the same time, something people in general assume is a "right wing" belief.

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[–] Throwingtothewolves 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You may just be a libertarian if you oppose force.

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