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I'll tell you what I don't like about them, the amendments were to prevent government overreach but somehow we've been duped into believing that those rights are granted to us from the government when they inherent to begin with. Why is it that a felon cannot own a firearm after paying back their "debit to society" ? (never mind that a person has the inherent right to own and posses anything he so desires so long as he doesnt infringe on the rights of others?)
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Do you have a blog or sub or anything I can follow. I keep seeing your posts and they seem to be very inline with a lot of my own thoughts in government and rights.
lol just the comment section here on voat. maybe I'll hit up /u/smokratez and ask to co-host the podcast he's started. I don't see why we couldn't start doing our own investigative journalism deal here on voat. granted we'd prolly get trolled to hell, just a thought really
He knows damn well why felons aren't allowed to have guns.
Half the people on this site would lose their fucking minds if felons were allowed to have guns because as their favorite statistics will tell you many felons are black.
The 5th Amendment allows the government to take away freedoms. Even if you as a private citizen "repay your private debts" after years of delinquency your credit will still be fucked.
Felons cannot own firearms because they have been deprived of that liberty through due process and it is not a cruel or unusual punishment. The Fifth Amendment prohibits the government from depriving a person of life, liberty, or property without due process. The Eighth Amendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. Neither restricts punishment for crimes to time in jail or prison or says anything about "paying a debt to society."
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The 10th, which (if interpreted correctly) indicates that 95% of what the federal government is doing is beyond the scope of their powers and should be relegated to the states.
It more than the rest really drives home the point of the constitution. The Bill of Rights points out specific things that cannot be infringed. The 10th points out that there are a lot of other rights that aren't specifically listed but are protected right as well.
It's the least specific, but should carry the most weight IMO. Sadly, I don't think today's society recognizes it very well.
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1, 2 and 3 the "Safeguards of Liberty" are by far my favorite, but I also like that in the 13th amendment it specifically states that we can still use slavery as a punishment for crime. Why do I like that part of the 13th amendment? Because when people bitch about prisoners being "slaves" I tell them we should just get rid of the 13th amendment because it's what gives us the right to do that. Then they agree because they never actually looked at the constitution before, then the lights fade and I turn my back on them while rubbing my hands together maniacally.
I like the one that killed slavery. Cause as much as I dislike bullshit civil movements, that one wasnt bullshit. Slavery was a blight and Im glad its gone.
The first and second are what make America unique among nations, but the bill of rights as a whole is greater than the some of the parts so I don't see a way to pick out any one amendment that is more or less important than any of the others.
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[–] ShowMeYourKitties 0 points 34 points 34 points (+34|-0) ago (edited ago)
The second protects the first, and all the others.
[–] 6847676? 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
nailed it
[–] 6848156? 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago
To quote a Russian immigrant "When you have a gun, you can say what ever you want."
[–] puggy 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
plus makes Europeans and Australians jealous
[–] Hey_Sunshine 0 points 21 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago
I'll tell you what I don't like about them, the amendments were to prevent government overreach but somehow we've been duped into believing that those rights are granted to us from the government when they inherent to begin with. Why is it that a felon cannot own a firearm after paying back their "debit to society" ? (never mind that a person has the inherent right to own and posses anything he so desires so long as he doesnt infringe on the rights of others?)
[–] TheKobold 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Do you have a blog or sub or anything I can follow. I keep seeing your posts and they seem to be very inline with a lot of my own thoughts in government and rights.
[–] Hey_Sunshine 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
lol just the comment section here on voat. maybe I'll hit up /u/smokratez and ask to co-host the podcast he's started. I don't see why we couldn't start doing our own investigative journalism deal here on voat. granted we'd prolly get trolled to hell, just a thought really
[–] Wahaha 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Careful, that's confirmation bias waiting to be made into an echo chamber.
[–] RedViiper 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I think its risk of repeat offenders
[–] dabork 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
He knows damn well why felons aren't allowed to have guns. Half the people on this site would lose their fucking minds if felons were allowed to have guns because as their favorite statistics will tell you many felons are black.
[–] fecaliphate 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Due_Process_Clause
The 5th Amendment allows the government to take away freedoms. Even if you as a private citizen "repay your private debts" after years of delinquency your credit will still be fucked.
[–] 6848142? 1 point 1 point 2 points (+2|-1) ago
Felons cannot own firearms because they have been deprived of that liberty through due process and it is not a cruel or unusual punishment. The Fifth Amendment prohibits the government from depriving a person of life, liberty, or property without due process. The Eighth Amendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishment. Neither restricts punishment for crimes to time in jail or prison or says anything about "paying a debt to society."
[–] Hey_Sunshine 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Then our Justice department is based upon punishment and not justice, to call it anything else is facetious.
[–] Drain0 0 points 11 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago
The 5th... And I respectfully decline to tell you why.
[–] ashekchum 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
That no longer applies, so you have to tell us
[–] Thegreatstoneddragon ago
That's OK, Big Brother already knows.
[–] b0geyman 0 points 10 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago
The 10th, which (if interpreted correctly) indicates that 95% of what the federal government is doing is beyond the scope of their powers and should be relegated to the states.
[–] warthawg69 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
It more than the rest really drives home the point of the constitution. The Bill of Rights points out specific things that cannot be infringed. The 10th points out that there are a lot of other rights that aren't specifically listed but are protected right as well.
It's the least specific, but should carry the most weight IMO. Sadly, I don't think today's society recognizes it very well.
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Today, I like YOU
[–] SpaceCpt 1 point 8 points 9 points (+9|-1) ago (edited ago)
1, 2 and 3 the "Safeguards of Liberty" are by far my favorite, but I also like that in the 13th amendment it specifically states that we can still use slavery as a punishment for crime. Why do I like that part of the 13th amendment? Because when people bitch about prisoners being "slaves" I tell them we should just get rid of the 13th amendment because it's what gives us the right to do that. Then they agree because they never actually looked at the constitution before, then the lights fade and I turn my back on them while rubbing my hands together maniacally.
[–] MCVoat 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
You evil genius.
[–] CapinBoredface 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
I like the one that killed slavery. Cause as much as I dislike bullshit civil movements, that one wasnt bullshit. Slavery was a blight and Im glad its gone.
[–] pitenius ago
You mean number 13. Next one's a bitch.
[–] Wahaha ago
It's just gone underground, don't think for a second it's gone.
[–] CapinBoredface ago
Well duh. Just cause something isnt legal doesn't mean no one does it.
[–] newoldwave ago
There wasn't an amendment to end slavery. It was Lincoln's proclamation that did it.
[–] cyclops1771 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
The 21st, because I love to drink!
[–] 6847931? 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
The first and second are what make America unique among nations, but the bill of rights as a whole is greater than the some of the parts so I don't see a way to pick out any one amendment that is more or less important than any of the others.