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[–] WhiteRonin 0 points 52 points (+52|-0) ago 

Being passed over for some guy who can lay down some tracks on his ipad or by the person who knows how to market themselves on Instagram.

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[–] Alias_Unknown 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

This about sums it up.

The best artists and bands I know of, do not receive radio play.

Creativity and substance isn't marketable.

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[–] 8_billion_eaters [S] 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

That's ....not right.... Musical geniuses today shouldn't need marketing talents as well. I think we're missing out on greatness.

Think of that one shining star being overwhelmed in a flood of mediocre light.

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[–] CyrexCore2k 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Right because it's only creative if its some dude sitting at a piano playing chords? Please.

The edm scene has given rise to some incredible music. People who could never afford a live band now have the opportunity to show what they would do with one. Look around google for some edm live sets. Do some research before dismissing an entire genre just because you don't like what tends to bubble to the top.

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[–] Never_Over 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

its just part of the dumbing down, brainwashed society. they want instant gratification and made to feel special. I really think people dont like the music, they just go along with it as a style. There will always be a few groups that stand out, but that is about it.

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[–] 8_billion_eaters [S] 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Never_Over....why are you so fatalistic? There's always music to lift your soul. There's always music in our lives. Fuck the media and their bullshit tunes that they try to jam down our throats..... There is greatness out there. We're just not hearing it.

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[–] WhiteRonin 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I agree.

But I wonder if it isn't the music itself. I've hammered my hearing since the days of 2LiveCrew and old school, patied to who ended up on MTV, and clubbed. So, I don't mind mind numbing bass but now my ears do. So, I don't hate any type of music but I've noticed the quality has really dropped except for like you said a few exceptions.

These days I've falken back into older music that has more than 1 verse of music.

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[–] WhiteRonin 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Wow!

Morrison could have been a rocket scientists so this really doesn't surprise me.

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[–] 8_billion_eaters [S] 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Jim Morrison might well have been one of the last Beethoven's of our time. Mr. Mojo Risin.

For all you kids out there into Harry Potter and witchcraft..... Mr Mojo Risin is an anagram for Jim Morrison.

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[–] AlphaWookie 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Wrong we will not know who the contemporary musical geniuses are in our life times well that is unless you live for 100+ years.

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[–] WhiteRonin 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I respectfully disagree.

I haven't followed the indies scene so it's hard to say who is really good but it's not that difficult to pick up great artist that are still alive or have died in our lifetimes.

Glass and others do exist in classical. Dylan, Morrison were great. It's just that we don't give enough focus on good musicians and just end up being fed auto tune crap or have deal with the likes of West and Swift.

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[–] Tancred 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Is Aphex Twin a musical genius? Absolutely. His music's great. Put him on a proper classical training track for a decade, he probably could have turned out a symphony on the level of Haydn or Mozart. But the institutions we had to create such artists are nowhere to be found.

I think the same of Savant, especially with his earlier albums (ISM, Overworld, Ninür, Vario, Alchemist) which had strong classical influences.

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[–] 0x4F 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The past 50 years alone has seen a rapid acceleration in the mainstream culture being complete utter shit.

I said this elsewhere, we went from

If you should ever leave me

Though life would still go on, believe me

The world could show nothing to me

So what good would living do me?

God only knows what I'd be without you

to

You a ho, you a ho, you a stupid, stupid ho

You a ho, you a ho, you a stupid, stupid ho

You a ho, you a ho, you a stupid, stupid ho

You a ho, you a ho, you a stupid, stupid ho

If Beethoven were alive today, he'd thank God he was deaf.

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[–] middle_path 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

People become deified through time, mostly long after their death.

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[–] Thisismyvoatusername 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Deified perhaps, but all three of those artists were recognized as musical geniuses during their lifetimes.

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[–] middle_path 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

Sure, but most back then came from relatively well off backgrounds. We have made opportunity like showing off musical skill more accessable in the present time. The son of a blacksmith couldn't just grab a piano and start hammering out symphonies back then, even if he had the interest or talent.

And now there are so many talented artists that trying to find the cream of the crop is a daunting task. The thing is, there are dozens of Mozart's and Beethoven's out there now. Buy because there are so many, they're less impressive.

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[–] 8_billion_eaters [S] 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

it aint a matter of being dead. those MFers were good.

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[–] pray_the_gay_away 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

Working their talents as no-name engineers in Silicon Valley because they have nothing better to do in a modern world that doesn't appreciate art and culture.

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[–] 8_billion_eaters [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Sadly, that's what I think, too.

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[–] kurfu 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

John Williams is pretty epic...

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[–] sweetholymosiah 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

John Williams would shit on you himself for comparing him to Bach, Beethoven, and Hitler.

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[–] FeelinFroggy 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Compared to them, sure.

But we're looking for the "them" of "today."

There will never be another George Carlin, but there's bound to be a George Carlin of another generation.

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[–] 8_billion_eaters [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Haahahhhaaaaa Who the fuck said Hitler? Although............

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[–] 8_billion_eaters [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I agree. Probably all the great music today is being bought by (encouraged by) the Hollywood and Broad Street market. Call me a cunt, but the music in Cats and Phantom of the Opera was great.

John Williams rocked our world.

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[–] 8_billion_eaters [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

link, please.

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[–] Skyrock 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

They will most likely only be recognized in hindsight. Every age is bound to Sturgeon's Law - 90% of everything produced is crap. Only after the crap is forgotten and the good stuff is highlighted the jewels of each age become clear. Look at artists like Mozart, Van Gogh or Edgar Allan Poe, who were overlooked during their lifetime and died in obscure poverty, and all of them had to dilute their portfolio with less than great stuff that paid the bills.

That being said, I'd name David Bowie along with the members of Kraftwerk and Queen as likely candidates for the late 20th century that will stand the test of time.

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[–] Ugwump 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

What you need to understand is that while Mozart, Bach and Beethoven share a genre they did not share a lifetime.

  • Bach: born 1685; died 1750
  • Mozart: born 1756; died 1791
  • Beethoven: born 1770; died 1827

Each was the genius of his generation. There were many other composers who were forgotten because the people who were curating what we now call Classical Music felt they were just worth preserving.

Think about it this way, you've heard of The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, and The Who, but have you ever heard of Bobby Sherman? Can you name me any "boy bands" that existed before you were born? Probably not, because while they were good enough to fill air-time their music quickly became stale.

EDIT: they did not share a lifetime (That'll teach me to pontificate before coffee.)

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[–] Wahaha 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I've heard of Bobby Sherman, but who is "The Who"? Do the Beatles count as a boy band?

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[–] 8_billion_eaters [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

hahaha I've heard of Bobby Sherman. We used to tease the kid sister with him. "Far out, funky and Bobby Sherman". Just before the Partridge Family and the Monkeys came into pop culture. The Jackson 5, too.

But I'm asking about musical geniuses. There's a world of difference between them.

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[–] catfishjones 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Working diligently in their basements, unwilling to enter the current entertainment paradigm.

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