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[–] Salicaz 3 points 104 points (+107|-3) ago  (edited ago)

I don't believe it didn't happen. I'm very, very concerned it's illegal to question it.

But being unable to question a part of history, because the governments have ruled it illegal, makes me think it's massively incorrect.

Edit: autocorrect

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[–] chicoski [S] 4 points 37 points (+41|-4) ago 

I agree with that. I think the situation is worse in Germany, where I have friends, and where they teach their kids to be guilty for the Holocaust in school from a young age. I don't agree with perpetuating a constant climate of national guilt for an event in the past, where barely anyone who is alive in the country today had a hand in carrying out, especially from the newer generations.

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[–] InyourfaceNancyGrace 1 points 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

I don't agree with perpetuating a constant climate of national guilt for an event in the past, where barely anyone who is alive in the country today had a hand in carrying out, especially from the newer generation

If the US is any example, they have a few more generations to go. Of course, Western Jews are integrated, well-behaved members of society who don't insist on handouts, murder each other constantly, and smash/pillage/burn down their section of town every time a criminal gets shot.

But I'm right there with you. I refuse to feel guilty about something I took no part in and had no influence on whatsoever. That's like feeling guilty that I was born in the US and not Ethiopia.

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[–] KosherHiveKicker 4 points 3 points (+7|-4) ago 

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[–] xeemee 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

I don't agree with perpetuating a constant climate of national guilt for an event in the past, [...]

what event?

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[–] piratse 2 points 30 points (+32|-2) ago 

This basically. The facts we can't talk about. Like how Jewish professors have said the numbers are nowhere NEAR the reported. How it was labor camps with deaths, of course, but not mass murder camps with one purpose of murder. How allied troops caused a lot of deaths for cutting of supply lines to camps etc. Sure Hitler hated jews, but he wasn't dumb enough not to use prisoners for free labor during war time. It's absurd you can't even talk about it, as if getting the facts somehow makes you antisemitic.

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[–] xeemee 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Sure Hitler hated jews, [...]

did he?

i'm not sure that was the case - after all, many thousands of 1/2 Jews served in the German military, some rising to very high ranks

and i actually can't remember at the moment, but i believe he had a Jewish lawyer and doctor and i think it was his sister that headed some sort of Jewish organization

what Hitler really hated had nothing to do with Jews - he hated the unethical, conniving, parasitic, communist garbage who infected Germany and nearly drove it out of existence, who happened to be largely Jews

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[–] xeemee 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Like how Jewish professors have said the numbers are nowhere NEAR the reported.

most people don't keep up with the current facts unless it's a subject they're interested in - the "holocaust" is something i've been interested in for a very long time and for the last ~15 years i've been digging into it deeper and deeper and i can tell you this for a fact: NO ONE - not a single serious historian - continues to support the "6 million" figure which is (fact #2:) a Jewish-religious symbolic figure that is easily traced back to the late 1800's by anyone with a computer and an internet connection

so yes, you are absolutely on the right track

what is your opinion regarding 'homicidal gas chambers' if i may ask?

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[–] selpai 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

There are certain distortions of truth, contrived narratives, and outright lies, in regards to the Holocaust. When the History effectively consists of "Hitler was an evil dictator and wanted to kill all of the Jews", then it is all the more paramount that discussion and controversy not just be tolerated, but encouraged.

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[–] xeemee 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

When the History effectively consists of "Hitler was an evil dictator and wanted to kill all of the Jews", then it is all the more paramount that discussion and controversy not just be tolerated, but encouraged.

i agree, totally

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[–] xeemee 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

I don't believe it didn't happen.

"holocaust" is an umbrella term - no one denies the camps or the persecution, but the primary aspect of the holocaust is the alleged murder of [insert a number between 6 and 40 million] Jews, mostly in homicidal gas chambers by way of cyanide and carbon monoxide gas, is a complete fabrication

i know how that's going to sound to you, but i also know that you will come to the same conclusion should you decide to expand upon your historical education beyond what we've all been taught in government schools and by Hollywood

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[–] Boyakasha 3 points 43 points (+46|-3) ago  (edited ago)

I don't think many will deny that Germans rounded up undesirables and put them in to camps for export. Many of us question the "final solution" portion of the story which has very shoddy evidence and is illegal, in many countries, to question. I personally believe that thousands died due to starvation and disease due to the German supply lines and infrastructure breaking down. I don't believe in the shower/gas/incinerator/6 million narrative.

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[–] xeemee 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

... and I've seen multiple survivors end up being caught up in lies.

Fraudulent holocaust survivors and scams

The real point of issue for me is that we can't even talk about it without being put on a list and labeled as crazy racists.


“To determine the true rulers of any society, all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that I am not permitted to criticize?” — Kevin Alfred Strom, ‘Classic American Dissident Voices Program’, ‘All America Must Know the Terror That is Upon Us’, August 14, 1993

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[–] Sosacms 4 points 8 points (+12|-4) ago 

I believe in the inhumanity of mankind. When you see what parents do to their own children, the treatment of the Jews isn't that unbelievable.

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[–] Superchexx 6 points 5 points (+11|-6) ago 

Sorry, not an argument.

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[–] xeemee 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

When you see what parents do to their own children, the treatment of the Jews isn't that unbelievable.

actually, it is

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[–] xeemee 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Many of us question the "final solution" portion of the story [...]

you answered it yourself...

I don't think many will deny that Germans rounded up undesirables and put them in to camps for export.

there was never a policy of extermination

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[–] xeemee 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

I don't believe in the shower/gas/incinerator/6 million narrative.

well, if you're at all on the fence regarding the alleged homicidal gas chambers, allow me to direct your attention to this

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[–] Boyakasha 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Not on the fence at all. I also scored a 100 on that quiz. I've known it's a sham for years now.

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[–] xxFenringxx 1 points 27 points (+28|-1) ago 

You can actually get a degree in "Holocaust studies"? Can you get a degree studying up on the countless millions the Jews killed in Russia?

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[–] wrok-wrok 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

You can get a degree in gender studies; So anything is possible now

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[–] peacegnome 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

You can get a degree in gender studies

you mean "anti-male narrative creation" studies?

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[–] xeemee 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

you mean 'gender identity' is a thing in fucking collage now? not that i'm particularly surprised i guess

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[–] chicoski [S] 5 points 5 points (+10|-5) ago 

By "Jews" do you mean the CCCP? You are correct in that the CCCP attracted many Jews to it's ranks, mainly because of the promises for religious emancipation after centuries of living under restriction the Pale of Settlement.

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[–] White_Phillip 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago 

The Bolsheviks were mostly jewish. Marx, lenin, and trotsky were all jewish.

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[–] xeemee 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

... the countless millions the Jews killed in Russia?

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[–] White_Phillip 2 points 18 points (+20|-2) ago 

I dont believe the gas chamber narrative.

I dont believe that there is a "general plan ost".

Who is a "semite?".

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[–] chicoski [S] 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

Semite = a member of groups who historically speak Semitic languages, i.e. Jews and Arabs.

What makes you not believe in Generalplan Ost and the gas chamber narrative?

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[–] White_Phillip 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

Okay so is the Israeli government anti semitic against Palestinians? Is hezbollah anti semitic?

What semitic group doesnt have a hatred for another semitic group? To add to that, what issue do semitic people have that isnt based on religion?

Gas chamber = delousing room

Swimming pools in a death camp?

Madagascar plan is well documented, generalplan ost isnt.

Jews have been kicked out of dozens of countries, some multiple times, and usually for the same reason.

When any other group is killed off en masse, it is genocide or ethnic cleansing.

No doubt the fascists wanted to get rid of jews. 6 million gassed, and burnt? You better provide real evidence.

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[–] Michael_Obama 3 points 1 points (+4|-3) ago 

The jews you are referencing aren't even real jews. The real jews were eliminated from existence for murdering their messiah.

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[–] pitenius 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

"Anti-Semitic" is honestly something of a weasel word, and it's something that will inspire holocaust deniers because they realize they're facing a stacked deck. It's based in sloppy anthropology. Why let Hitler define your terms? Call it what it was: Judenhasse.

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[–] macleod2486 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago  (edited ago)

The general plan was originally stated in Mein Kamph and finalized during the Wansee Conference.

As for gas chamber, depends on which concentration camp you are talking about and technique they used take for example.

Camps established during Operation Reinhard:

Treblinka: Used carbon monoxide to suffocate it's victims and after upgrades can "output" 12,000 to 15,000. Carbon monoxide last I checked doesn't leave as obvious of a residue.

Auschwitz: Used the now imfamous Zyklon B gas which does leave a very small residue but degrades over time. The guy who everyone points to so far goes by the name of Fred A. Leuchter

Bełżec: Carbon monoxide

Sobibór: Carbon Monoxide

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[–] White_Phillip 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Cite the line or lines in mein kampf where hitler outlined generalplan ost.

Wheres the proof the Wannsee conference actually happened, aside from the text presented as the minutes?

Zyklon B was used for delousing.

Theres no way that 500,000 bodies were burned on five open air pyres. That would be roughly 1,369 people a day. That means 6 gas chambers have to gas 83,333 peolle each. Thats 226 a day from 1942 to 1943. Plus the cost of a tank of carbon monoxide at the time would be roughly the same as a liger p08 pistol. Math doesnt really check out.

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[–] xeemee 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago 

The general plan was originally stated in Mein Kamph ...

we'll all be looking very forward to that quote - and i have a copy all ready to verify it

... and finalized during the Wansee Conference.

sure about that?

Treblinka: Used carbon monoxide [...]

Auschwitz: Used the now imfamous Zyklon B gas which does leave a very small residue but degrades over time.

Bełżec: Carbon monoxide

Sobibór: Carbon Monoxide

and speaking of those "carbon monoxide" gas chambers, what kind of equipment was used to produce the gas? gee, i sure hope it wasn't a diesel engine :)

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[–] xeemee 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago  (edited ago)

maybe you'd think differently if you studied the actual history verses the crap we were taught in school

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[–] golgotham 1 points 16 points (+17|-1) ago 

I don't know, wasn't there, but isn't it curious how MANY times the precise number 6 million appears in Jewish lore, in published articles and works dating back to the 1800's?

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[–] chicoski [S] 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Interesting... how do you mean?

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[–] golgotham 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Just some curious links I've compiled: At work, so check this out while I look around as time permits. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3473479/posts

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[–] xeemee 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

he means this - he's absolutely correct - the '6 million' figure is a Jewish-religious symbolic figure that is easily traced back to the late 1800's

want to know more?

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[–] xeemee 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

I don't know, wasn't there, [...]

me neither, but i do know because i've studied it for ~15 years

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[–] Ben77 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

This entire thread warms my soul, image what this would look like on Reddit: [Comment Deleted].

Like many on here, I believe it took place and agree it was a bad thing, however I find it very troubling that people who question it are being silenced, in some cases by force of law. It sets a very, very bad precedent.

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[–] xeemee 3 points 1 points (+4|-3) ago 

Like many on here, I believe it took place ...

that what took place, specifically? mass extermination? is so, then you might research further...

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[–] Ben77 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Well, I studied British and European History 1890 - 1945 at college so that involved quite a bit of research, and I have retained an interest in that particular period for the 20 years since.

I will check out that link in depth when I have the time, but I can already see some indications of propaganda and heavy bias.

Sentences like

just three days after Israel, the Zionist occupier of Palestine, unleashed a campaign of military terror which targeted schools, hospitals, homes and the defenceless women and children within the ever shrinking, open-air prison known as the Gaza Strip

don't do much to assure the reader this is a credible, unbiased source. It sounds very similar to the accusations from the extreme left in the UK.

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[–] WEHRMACHT_BITCHES_AT 2 points 13 points (+15|-2) ago 

No homicidal Gas chambers. No 'plan' to exterminate the Jews of Europe. That part is an absolute myth. Were they sent to labor camps? Yup. Did lots of people get typhus and starve in the last few months of the war due to collapse of German economy and supply lines (no food or medicine to camps in final months of war) Yup that happened... but again... not part of any plan to murder them.

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[–] chicoski [S] 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Holocaust studies is part of a wider genocide studies. I want to work in the UN or some NGO that helps prevent genocides from taking place, or analyzing them, and since the Shoah is one of the most efficient and successful genocides in history it makes for a great way to analyze potential future genocides.

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[–] xeemee 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

I want to work in the UN or some NGO that helps prevent genocides from taking place, ...

great - you might want to start in your back yard

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[–] pitenius 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Dude... genocide studies predicates the need for ongoing and future genocides. You're helping to create a dark world. The man who sells you the solution is often the man who caused the problem.

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