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[–] TheThreeHeadedMan 0 points 84 points (+84|-0) ago 

Reddit has been going down the toilet for a while now. With so many users, the quality of posts was rapidly decreasing. Pao was just one of the problems with Reddit, albeit the largest one, and the other big one is impossible to fix. Even if she resigns, I will not be going back to Reddit. Plus, with Voat being in its infancy, I will get to be a part of its growth, and if it ends up getting close to the size Reddit was, that's cool as hell.

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[–] mcfortyoz 0 points 32 points (+32|-0) ago 

Exactly. The quality went downhill a long time ago, with the constant karma whoring and pun threads I basically just became a lurker and only posted to smaller subreddits where there was actual discussion going on. Here, It's all so new and exciting. It feels like moving to a new neighborhood and discovering cool new places.

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[–] s0tcrates 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

You nailed it with the neighborhood analogy. With most neighborhoods, the system and general purpose is the same but the atmosphere, culture and people vary, making this new home a breath of fresh air.

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[–] voatforreddit 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I wasn't on Reddit until just over a year ago and wondered what the vets of Reddit meant when they said "it was going down the toilet" - but I've seen the evolution once I really started to understand how Reddit itself worked. I'm excited to see the possibilities of Voat. I have no doubts it can take the same route Reddit did. Is it a bad thing that the biggest fail after awhile?

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[–] belletti 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Wow, you sound exactly like me...

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[–] todiwan 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Wait, why do you torture yourself with that instead of just unsubscribing from all those shitty subreddits? AskReddit is amazing but only with "serious replies only" posts.

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[–] saint-x 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I personally think that the biggest problem of Reddit is its user base. The majority of them don't seem to care for or are actually really happy to see censorship be established on Reddit. People need to start understanding that everyone has something they're offended by but censorship is absolutely not the answer as thoughts can't be regulated. I agree with you though that being a part of the growth of Voat is very exciting and the fact that people here actually understand the concept of free thought is a good indicator of how this site will grow and come together.

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[–] Port-Chrome 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

So many people over there saying that Free Speech only applies to government and that the first amendment doesn't cover businesses, forgetting that free speech is a social principal not just a single American law. So many genuinely seem to think that it is ok for so many voices to be censored, probably because they haven't been censored themselves yet. They all seem to be so willing to flush away their own rights.

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[–] Malygos 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I was amazed when my brother thought it was a good thing Reddit banned /r/fatpeoplehate. I saw an article that basically said this was just a start with what subreddits are going to get banned. I wonder how much if any the general opinion of the censorship will change on reddit with more subreddits not being considered okay.

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[–] periander ago 

The few deciding what to censor is always problematic. Using a democratic system to highlight the good and bury the bad is a much better system... I wonder how such a thing could be implemented /s

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[–] Redempti 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I agree completely. It's cool to see a site like this so young, and being a part of something that could possibly become huge.

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[–] TheThreeHeadedMan 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

There is no surefire way to ensure a high standard of quality, but it took Reddit a long time to become the monster it is today, so we've got a while to help create a different future for Voat.

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[–] ohcanada 0 points 32 points (+32|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Nope. They broke any and all trust I have in them. Plus, Pao leaving wouldn't disrupt the SJW cabal that runs all of the default subs and the powermods running 400+ subs. Reddit's problems go far too deep for any real change to happen. I don't see how they could do anything about it, even if they wanted to.

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[–] Howtokillagod 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Are there seriously users that are mods of that many subreddits? What in the actual fuck?

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[–] ohcanada 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

There is indeed. I know of at least two; one is archangelle something-or-other (lamearchangelle?), and the name of the other escapes me at the moment. It's absolutely ridiculous. There have been many people reporting these powermods banning them from swathes of subreddits at a time even if they didn't post in any of them just because they posted in a subreddit that the mod found indecent or offensive.

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[–] mcfortyoz 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Yup, It's pretty sad. I think it all started about 3 years ago, SRS started getting their paws into just about every main sub they have, if you look at the sidebars, it's all basically the same set of rules. agree with us or get a ben.

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[–] macleod2486 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

IIRC there used to be a limit on how many subs you could mod but apparently that didn't matter because I would end up having to scroll down several pages for some accounts for that list of mods.

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[–] ForgotMyName 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I agree. Reddit has had serious problems for a long time but there wasn't a viable alternative. When I first heard about voat I made a s/n and tried it but there weren't any people here so I went back to Reddit. I'm hoping all of this garbage with "safe spaces" gives voat the users it needs to reach critical mass and become viable.

I've long been tired of the corporate shill accounts/posts, mod issues, shadowbans, brigading from a select few, and witch hunts / doxxing on Reddit. They're all fixable problems but they were repeatedly ignored or mishandled. I think the the way the voting system works here will help with some of that.

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[–] Avnomke ago 

Personally, I think voat has reached a large enough community that there will be plenty of discussion, once we all collectively shut up about reddit.

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[–] dotscott 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I came here to talk about trust. It's completely gone. What trust I built over 5+ years has disappeared completely in about 6 months.

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[–] thetranscriber 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Pao leaving wouldn't disrupt the SJW cabal that runs all of the default subs

same reason 4chan went to shit

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[–] FattyDooDoo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

What happened to 4chan?

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[–] EB-0 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The important thing to remember is that SJW's are exclusively a menace, any one group taking control of the site is a menace. doesn't matter who that is.

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[–] frshmt 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

You can see what IAMA became. Just a place to push shit down our throats.

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[–] 123_456 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The IAMAs are awful. It's just celebrity bullshit, and they answer questions like it's any other type of interview. At least before they used to read the comments themselves. Now they only get the brown nosing questions done. So, if you comment with a question, doesn't matter if it's popular, or people want to have it answered, they will not see it. It's stupid. What's the point, anyway? Everything is a stock answer, and a goddamn advertisement.

ALTHOUGH there are a few that are the exception to this. I have a strong feeling that Kevin Smith actually goes through the comments, and reads them himself.

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[–] C_IsForCookie 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I don't think the problem is Pao. I think the problem is the catalyst that allowed her to make the changes to begin with. It's part of Reddit's evolution.

Reddit went through major changes every couple years. When it was new it was similar to Voat. When it got a little bigger it was a bit more diverse. Eventually there were questionable subreddits because of the diversity of interest but they were permitted and tolerated. The first act of major censorship was the banning of Jaibait (I'm not imposing an opinion here about that banning, just pointing out that it happened). That was a huge thing back then. That was before Pao.

Since then Reddit has changed a lot about their policies. I started on Reddit before they were corporate owned, and since then the Admins have changed a lot about the way they run and manage the site. On one hand it's overflowing with the everyday users who were never there to experience the difference first hand, and on the other you have people who've made it extremely political, and it has nothing to do with Pao, but it's a reaction to the way the site is run in general.

What I'm trying to say is that through this evolution there have been many stages. There was infancy, growing up, the teen years, that time Reddit got a car for it's 16th birthday, the time Reddit got its first girlfriend. Right now Reddit is in college and the environment is changing. It will change again but it will move more toward a different type of userbase. It's going to go off and get a real job and get married. It's appealing to the masses because it's profitable rather than the few who made it what it used to be. It's becoming an extreme power trip by admins and moderators (don't even get me started on this) alike and it's sucking all of the enjoyment right out of the experience.

Ellen Pao could resign but that evolution only goes forward, never backward. I remember the days where we used to feel like Reddit was a secret exclusive club we were all in. It sounds stupid but that "exclusivity" that we always made fun of was what was keeping it the Reddit we enjoyed. We can't say that anymore though. We can't call it exclusive. Every half-wit with an internet connection knows about Reddit. It's taken a page out of The Chive's book and blown up, and that's how the culture got ruined, not by Pao. I think it's similar to an entire country's population moving to another country and doing things the way they were used to back home. Eventually the natives are going to feel resentful and their culture will be lost by the immigrants.

That said I haven't completely given up on it. I'm still there because there are some subreddits I'm subscribed to that are worth staying for, until those users all leave and join us here as well at least. Lets be honest.. you can give it up completely but you'd be lying if you said there wasn't still something there. As for now i'm 50/50 between the two. Where this all goes is still up in the air. Again, to say I'm all in Voat and not in Reddit would be making this political, and that's exactly what I don't want. At the end of the day these are just places I get to kill time on, and hopefully read some great discussion as well.

TL;DR: Reddit is like America, and we were all the Indians. Ellen Pao can leave but it doesn't get us our land back.

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[–] chmod [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Well said! Welcome!

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[–] C_IsForCookie 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Thanks. Feels good to be welcome :)

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[–] 123_456 ago 

I get why Jailbait was banned though. After that asshole Anderson Cooper talked about it on his show, some sick fuckers started spamming the place with underaged porn, and then it just had to shut down. But it sucks what it's become. It's just mainstream horseshit.

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[–] C_IsForCookie ago 

Same reason FPH was banned. It became a mainstream area of hate. Once the word gets out and people start to complain, that's when action happens.

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[–] soundthealarm21 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I plan on using both.

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[–] SmartToaster 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I'm right there with you on that. There are a few niche subs on reddit that I really enjoy. The community just doesn't exist elsewhere right now. If those communities migrate over then sure, I won't go back.

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[–] ssmy ago 

Same. My subscriptions are down to the smaller subs that I enjoy and if their /v/ equivalents grow enough I'll be off of those too.

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[–] iamcatch22 ago 

Not even just really niche stuff for me. On reddit, most of my time was in /r/masseffect, /r/comicbooks, and /r/dccomics. I think those all exist on voat, but I'll definitely be using reddit until those start getting major traffic on voat

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[–] Al_Rubyx ago 

Exactly same here. I hope this place does get big.

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[–] original_aboriginal 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Well I feel like I could go back because everything was compiled and fed to me daily, but as I think about it I realize I probably won't return.

First the people on voat make good points. I had to give up on certain subs due to the pun chains, or ignorant use of the upvote downvote button. I hope we don't develop a voat hivemind here.

Secondly I had subbed to too many subs and frequently found myself going to the 4th or 5th page from my subs to find something interesting. A fresh start would be nice.

And thirdly, goats are fucking awesome. I never really cared for snoo. The "sit tight" prompt it gave me when I pressed load more and how it had the cute little "whew, that was hard" message just sealed the deal.

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[–] BioMechTech 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

That's what I'm looking forward to the most. I hated having to sift through puns and jokes in an interesting AskReddit thread just because there was no [serious] tag. Even some of the smaller subs I was subscribed to had started to become diluted with shallow, easily-digestible content.

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[–] Vismund_Cygnus 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

To me, it seemed that AskReddit was nothing but "How can I improve myself/get chicks to dig me while putting in ZERO effort?" threads and various other "What's something people misunderstand about blank", and it got to the point where you could predict the top responses, because they were all the same, and it was a race to see who could post them first. For imaginary points that do nothing and the notion of the slight approval of total strangers.

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[–] Avnomke ago 

I really like how [Serious] tags are implied here.

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[–] kingda-ka 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

After they removed the upvote/downvote indicators and you could only see the score i was prepared to leave, im not going back if they keep removing useful features.

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[–] epistaxis 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

No. Although Reddit was definitely an addiction it has been going downhill for sometime. I had never heard of voat until things went down but I'm glad it did and I think we can take this opportunity to make voat the home we all wanted.

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[–] doctapeppa 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Dude..I think there is blood coming out of your nose. You should get that checked.

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[–] epistaxis 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Thanks doc!

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