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[–] Lag-wagon 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

TPP is a tool to put companies above the laws so the companies can sue governments. Pepper in trade agreements to cut out Russia and China. It would also do a bunch of horrible things for jobs, like move them to third world countries with little repercussions, if any. Plus so much more. It is a horrible mess of a bill 8 years in the making.

Nafta is USA, mexico, and Canada. TPP was up to 12 countries. Nafta didn't install secret courts.

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[–] PM_ME_UR_NOODZ 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Back in the day there were many barriers to trade. There were tariffs, import quotas, and straight up bans on imports of some goods. The classical "free trade vs protectionism" debate primarily revolves around these types of policies.

Back in the day there were far more of these sorts of trade policies. NAFTA originally had to do with negotiating an end to many of those policies between US, Canada, and Mexico. There were all sorts of logistical, legal, regulatory, and financial barriers to trade unrelated with government policies too (e.g. paperwork) and computers & the internet were lowering many of those barriers as well. NAFTA tried to streamline some of those things as well so that supply chains wouldn't get disrupted by customs delays, for example.

Nowadays, the US has relative few protectionist trade policies in place. The TPP is less about breaking down those classic protectionist trade policies and is more about greasing the skids of trade by streamlining the process for legal and regulatory compliance. Think about how the EU works for some of that stuff and it's a similar kind of arrangement. Instead of the USDA inspecting imported food products in the port of LA, the TPP-USDA inspector in Malacca or Sydney is good enough. Generic drugs made in Singapore and approved by TPP-FDA inspector there can be sold to any TPP country. Other countries can block the US from from passing certain regulations/laws they dislike and can force the US to adopt certain ones as well.

That's why some free traders oppose tpp even though its a "free trade agreement" - it gives up sovereignty to people who aren't Americans. TPP eliminates the democratic accountability for the laws that are enacted and the people who enact them, because those people wont be American. It doesn't create a free and open marketplace of competing ideas products and services the way that NAFTA was meant to do when it got rid of tariffs & stuff.

There's a lot more to it, but I think that's what the differences boil down to

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[–] SquarebobSpongebutt 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This is a lot of it. TPP is less a trade deal in my eyes and more a "world government" deal hiding behind a few articles of trade.

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[–] YashinNashi [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Thank you very much. It makes perfect sense now.

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[–] xXxWIRExXx 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Business favoured trade deals that override a countries established constitution.