The Mormons are the church in the US closest to cucking that can still be brought back from the brink.
The majority of Mormons are solid, clean-living people with strong culturally conservative instincts. But prog cancer is spreading surprisingly quickly. Until recently you only saw it online but the progs have become bolder, speaking up in church services and trying to force institutional changes.
In many parts of North America there's a shortage of men. Porn and video games are the main reason. Guys get sucked into those, don't go on their mission and stop attending church out of shame/depression/cynicism. Every time it happens, one more faithful girl doesn't have a husband. It's worst in the Mountain West. In some YSA wards there are two or three women for every man. It isn't worth going into the reasons for this. Mistakes were made. We compromised too much with modernity.
I'm a Mormon (Latter-day Saint is the preferred term these days), 28, a grad student, married, two kids, closeted cynical right-winger and I've never posted on a board like this before. But desperate times, right.
I won't be able to take it if the church cucks. What we've created is too fucking amazing to lose. Deseret is the closest humanity has ever come to utopia. We need more solid Mormon families, more babies. There are beautiful girls (Mormons are mostly English and Scandinavian stock) growing old without ever bearing children.
I'm begging you. I know you think Mormonism is ridiculous. I know, magic underwear and planets and whatever. But you've got it wrong. I'm begging you. Find some missionaries, take the leap and go full Mormon. Quit the weed, the video games and the porn. Be a man. Get off the internet. Find a good girl, she'll follow your lead. She needs you.
I won't be posting on here again. Godspeed.
OP - https://8ch.net/pol/res/13353047.html
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[–] 19205742? ago
I came across an anecdote once about a guy who agonized over the question of free will for years and years until one day he simply decided he was going to choose to believe in free will. That's stuck with me for a long time.
Also a big part of overcoming nihilism was the premise of an idealist universe. Consciousness before matter. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
I feel like zog pushes materialism because it denies free will, turns men into animals, and makes them subject to becoming slaves, cattle… goyim. Homosex, trannydom, criminality, every form of depravity. All supposedly dictated by material conditions so how can they be punished?
[–] 19205743? ago
Free will is a fallacy because you don't have freewill all the time and even with free will you have almost no control over the environment. If you go with the kikes idea of free will, you will contort the environment into something demonic and torture it to gain a 'security' that can never be realized and only feeds on itself causing more and more anxiety until you are dead. You are better off 'with God' and 100% at peace pursuing and learning about whatever you desire than to live a tortured materialist life of anxiety and stress. Most of the things you worry about are the products of stress in the system that you have decided to subscribe to. In a natural system there would be no anxiety and stress that encouraged perversion and degeneracy.
Let's say that you exercised your 'free will' and decided to go get a hamburger at your favorite restaurant? Is you actually getting a hamburger within your control, our outside of it? Well, you have to find your keys, get in your car, hope it starts, hope that the restaurant is open, hope that there is no traffic, hope they haven't had a kitchen fire or a flood, etc etc etc. In the end there are too many variables and this is just variables in the visible material world, for you to encounter to be able to assert that your 'free will' was the reason you were able to get anything or do anything. No matter how much free will you exercised there are variables that are completely beyond your control and thus your free will as the controller is a fallacy or non-productive.
Far from being trapped in materilalism; material things have less and less meaning as you come to the real understanding that 'materiality' is irrelevant to your health and well being; you cannot gather things to protect or secure you since all things are in perfect synchronization with the Creator, there is nothing to 'protect against' or to 'be protected' from; the horrible stress of 'security' is a non issue.
The Hard Determinists that fall into Atheism freak out and become materialist determinists (they are possibly more accursed than regular man, who understands in part that there is a sense of deity even if he only lightly believes), but those of us who chose God instead know that materialism is simply an extension of God and there is no reason to try to gain security when you are one with God. Gaining security in your environment is ridiculous because you cannot be removed from God, not at a physical level or a subatomic level. You cannot die before your time, you cannot obtain a security against it because on a fundamental level this is antithetical to the operation of the universe at its most fundamental level. Literally nothing is out of place or can ever become out of place. With 'security' comes peace, the peace of knowing that you are one with God and cannot be removed or displaced from time and the structure of the Universe. That all particles are one with God as well and in their correct location in time and space because it couldn't be any other way.
I had a good teacher, but it took some time to sink in and for me to really understand it. After that it simply becomes a question of 'how do you want to live' and what do you 'give value' to? I do not give value to parasites so people who are child molesters, homosexuals, torturers, cannibals, simply need to be removed from society. Usurers and all other manner of parasites as well. Society becomes a question of establishing values as opposed to financial gains or material security. Also, no one is needed to 'lord over you' or direct you. You have already established your unity with God and your security so if you want to go on great adventures (climb mount everest), shoot for the stars, dive deeper in the sea, your time is preallocated, you death was known from the foundation of the universe. Nothing is out of place you are free to experience everything in its fullest capacity.
Anyway…that is as far as I have gotten thus far and I would never turn back to the 'old kike driven ways of thinking'.
[–] 19205745? ago
That does ring true with so much of how the world comes at you. But I'm left wondering if there's any room for directing a course in that. With so many things in life it does feel like they were brought about by forces outside my control. But also there are some things in my life, things that have marked distinct branches in how things have unfolded, that came about after carefully and deliberately meditating on them for extended periods. I'm currently living somewhere very, let's say "different", and when old friends find out I live here they're kind of astonished and blown away because it's so outside the realm of day to day life before this. The decision to move here was born out of an idea and the process of setting up a living arrangement came about after a lot of meditation and focus on manifesting that idea. A lot of things in that process were outside of my control, and I could even be convinced that said idea happened to me rather than coming from within me. But in a very real way I feel like I played a role in determining my ending up here. At the same time I don't know that it's been the "right" decision and the multicultural dystopia of this place foisted race realism on me without warning. Is the omnipresent god making decisions in this hard determinism is that god indifferent and ambivalent about us?