The Green Party gained 20+% of the vote. 30+% among young people.
I can't stop thinking about that we need something radically new in the current century and that old-school right-wing politics isn't enough. What do these populist parties even offer? Just get rid of all immigrants and all will be fine? Then we will continue our current economic policies, our current social policies? That it?
I agree with the Left that a lot of the Populism is just talk to get populist support to gain power. The old Grachian brother and Tribune of the Plebs move.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLNvcTK6DTU
Farage for example is worshipped by many people, despite cucking the BNP, preventing UKIP from developing to something more than just an Anti-EU party and prevented them from becoming more nationalist.
If we can't get rid of refugees and immigrants, because you just get turned from wherever you are on the political spectrum to ultra far right, why not build camp-cities for them in our country and try to extract as much value from them as possible? They are coming here on their own. Why not use them as an economic ressource and exploit it as much as possible for the benefit of us?
And radically invest in Education, public transport, development of Green Spaces, National Parks. Try to become energy independet from fossil fuels ASAP.
And the EU. You know, old school nationalism and trying to take Prussia back won't work. The EU is a good way to fullfill our geopoltiical ambitions. We just need to adjust it in a better direction.
Why does Latvia and Estonia need to be independent? They are just going to be influenced by Russia, the US or China. Why not have a European Empire? I agree with Richard Spencer. Being anti EU is too short-sighted.
I am seriously thinking about these issues and I think that something like this might be much more succesful, than bruteforcing deporation of refugees and migrants, which will just get you hated. I think many Lefties would support that.
Can you talk me out of that?
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[–] 18848201? ago
Well, they should be economical. If I was the leader of this new Party and got control of my country, I'd try to extract as much value from them as possible.
Imagine if Africans came to the US and voluntarily enslaved themselves.
>>13324047
No, I don't. Do you? Does all of Germany have to be a forest or be out of concrete?
"You can't have X, because of muslims."
I added this video to my watch later list a few days ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9AGx2q_F_0
Haven't watched it yet.
I have no idea and I want to kill myself. We won't ever achieve anything here with just right-wing populism.
A /pol/ candidate would be fucking retarded, because he had to speak "honestly" about the j question, because he couldn't bear it to have a single anon call him a Zionist. Patrick Little was your /pol/ candidate.
Well maybe we need to become a minority to deal with them. It sure as fuck doesn't bother people right now.
If the economy ever collapses, they will all move somewhere else anyway.
Dunno, but I am ready to just abandon everything, delete all bookmarks of /pol/ and other forums, delete my political discord, because of this shit. I can't bear this any longer. This constant hoping that "maybe Gen Z will be based", "maybe we can have a right-wing revolution too in Germany at least for the people heavily browsing the Internet and then only get 6% for young people.
Fuck all of this. Why even bother being a moral conservative, if you'd get attacked by other Right-Wingers for having a little bit of fun wtih a woman and get called a Sexist for wanting to treat women as more than sexual objects?
And the insane Incel Baggage we have to carry on our bags.
And despite all this we are just a tiny minority with no electoral power.
Why is it that right-wing behavior like monogamy, being a provider, etc is still valued so highly, but talking about it is so demonized?
This all makes me sick to my stomach.
EXACTLY. We don't do anything!
[–] 18848660? ago
>>13324153
With what money? And why do you assume they'll be accepted?
You think Whitey will get the same treatment as the muds? Hah, guess again my man.
Well thats unfortunate. Maybe look into it and get back to us? That would be more constructive than simply stewing in desapir making comments like
ya know?
You're going to have to my man. This is YOUR STRUGGLE.
Maybe Gen Z WILL be based… When they're a bit older.
What does that even mean? I've never seen that. If you're doing degenerate shit and trying to say its 'just fun', well… You kinda walked into that one, didn't ya?
That's something that might actually happen.
I'm starting to this is a LARP again, or perhaps you've just got some personal issues you need to work out.
Yup. Just like the NSDAP in 1928, right?
Demonized by (((whom))), exactly? The people who want to destroy you?
Yeah man, why WOULD they do that?
It should.
There is nothing to be done at this time. I know that's not what you want to hear, but its the truth.
I say again:
The cycle of man:
<You are here
Its going to get worse before it gets better. You need to come to terms with that. If you can't, if you can't handle the struggle, then you do have the choice of walking away.
But thats a choice you have to make for yourself, and no amount of social signaling in despair will take that burden from your shoulders and yours alone.
[–] 18848664? ago
No it's not. get out and speak with the young and the old. Speak truth, talk problems and find way to unite them. Furthermore get as many as possible to become self sustaining, while shunning and actively protesting the beast system. Next show your colors by showing off your country flag everywhere (no political identity). You need unison, especially racial and most importantly segregate morally and stand up for each other at every opportunity. Instead of throwing slurs at others, use praise to boost yourselves. Also teach everyone to only move in large groups, build clans, financially help your own people in the neighborhood. Another thing…learn to chant. Sounds silly, but's it's one of the most efficient tools to unite mobs, terrify enemies, and confuse the shit out of anyone trying to discredit you. So whenever a jewish rat opens it's lying mouth to smear you, you get a group chant going that they can't understand. This also works great as means of protesting.
[–] 18848661? ago
>>13324153
>>13324123
Is he? I don't think so.
I don't see him as an ally at all, because of exactly what I said to you before about zionists.
I had my suspicions for a very long time, but I kept an open mind. Then I saw this.
<Vid related
And all that fell away.
Anyone who telling you "islam is the real problem, not the zionist jews" is not ally - he's compromised, or he was never an ally at all.
I always found him rather less than convincing and a bit of a blow hard to be honest.
I'm more partial to Kais Murros as far as commentary goes, but Spencer has an occasional gem of insight… A shame he's ruined any faith I can or will have in him by shilling for zionism.
Vid related is far more than what you imply my man.
If you don't see that, well… Guess I'm back to calling you an emotionally-compromised idiot or a subversive LARPer, because I can't see any other way you could view
<vid related
and come to the conclusion that such was merely a claim of "israel being a good example" or a "simple objective compliment". This is the man saying "zionist jews are not our existential enemies like muzzies are u guiz!" and that is the objective opposition, its having a fight with your enemies' sword instead of the enemy himself, and nobody who pushes such a narrative line can be trusted. Especially not one with so many ties to zionist jewry, going all the way back to his ((('mentor'))).
[–] 18848659? ago
Yes, extremely so.
It can't be both.
FTFY, and yes. That's simply a fact. You can't have X, because demographic displacement.
Looks interesting, but I'm not going to devote 20 minutes right now, I'm sure you understand.
Point being, if you look at the context of that video, and of coverage of that guy, you'll see that he is held up as an exception case, because he, like myself, are a rarity in these contexts.
I don't suppose you would know anything about his stances BEYOND this context? That's really the important bit, because the point I was making mentioning such was that most "Green" parties and shit, let alone outright leftist orgs, don't espouse this position and attack this position.
Doing a brief scrape on his name and certain keywords, I already found instances of him being attacked for his commentary on "the death of environmentalism" and pro-nuclear stance by people shilling for mudmen invaders and big corporate, most of them leftist.
Then that's not very helpful, is it?
Why? Wait, what am I saying? I know why. But you can't, because like dawn light in black sown, all darkness will be overthrown. I know its hard to believe now, but its the truth.
Do… Do you still think I'm DEFENDING "right-wing" populism? I want you to take a moment and go back to reading what I've said and see if you still think thats the case.
Yes, but you aren't listening to my whole narrative, which is that you HAVE TO DO THAT, and its a matter of context as to whether or not it will work. Why did it work for Hitler and not Patrick Little? Think on that and get back to me.
I don't think that's the case.
I think it does, given the scene in the general European elections. It may not be bothering THE YOUTH, but, I've already talked about why thats not a good metric.
[–] 18848673? ago
Then why don't young people fucking vote Right-Wing?
I thought i was part of an internet revolution. I thought young people would find to us, because of memes. Be right-wing and a Nationalist, because it's cool.
But I guess I am just inside an echo-chamber. 40% non-german births. Where is my right-wing internet evolution, anon?
You promised.
Because the currency of Germany was Zimbabwe-tier and the economy wasn't much better.
>>13324158
I am talking about the immigrants, not the native Europeans.
This is what literally happens.
Feminsits want to be protected and treated respectfully, but that can only come from right-wing, traditional men.
They want to be seen as more than just sexual objects, but that again .. comes from right-wing traditionalism, where being a mother and housewife was respected.
It's so shizo. If you do what they say, you'd strip everything from them and make them just into more stupid and weaker versions of men that you want to fuck. It's like a shit test.. For civilization.
If I think about stuff like this, I don't want to abandon it all, but at the same time it all seems to hopeless again.
If you don't see how the Incel and women-hating crowd has attached themselves to the Right-Wing, you need to wake up or you are one of them.
Anon … back then we had a massive demographic of disgruntled soldiers, traditional women and a lot of right-wing men, economic collapse and a 100% white ethnostate … before Hitler even took power.
I just legit thought I was part of right-wing internet revolution and wasn't stuck inside an echochamber of a tiny radical minority.
>>13324167
What Richard said is completly correct. I try to translate it:
He never said that "Islam is the real problem". He said Islam is an obvious enemy . He often says that Islam is the "Black Flag raised against the White Race" and that is true. It's a very obvious civilization clash.
Jews on the other hand, you can't just declare war on Jews like you can declare war on ISIS. It's a completly different problem that probably most people will never comprehend in its entirety.
He isn't pushing a narrative. This is an intellectual discussion. Not rabble rousing.
>>13324169
Calling Richard Spencer a shill is honestly one of the things that makes me hate this part of the right-wing so much sometimes.
>>13324204
You don't know from what perspective he is saying these things. He doesn't come from a "conservative" standpoint that says "We aren't responsible for Slavery, because it wasn't us that did it". He agrees with the Left that White People represent a history, where as Conservatives deny that History.
It's a kinda unique perspective of the Alt/New/dissident Right. He basically says to just take ownership of ALL of our history, good and bad.
[–] 18848651? ago
Except this is literally true you subversive shill.
Muslims don't care about the environment, their IQs are too low.
Survival of the environment is secondary to survival of our race, if our race does not survive the environment won't either.
[–] 18848653? ago
Yeah, I bet Farage is redpilled and based, right? Totally didn't gatekeep the anti-immigration attitude of Brits.
Brits are the only major power of Europe that don't have an anti-immigration party.