The Green Party gained 20+% of the vote. 30+% among young people.
I can't stop thinking about that we need something radically new in the current century and that old-school right-wing politics isn't enough. What do these populist parties even offer? Just get rid of all immigrants and all will be fine? Then we will continue our current economic policies, our current social policies? That it?
I agree with the Left that a lot of the Populism is just talk to get populist support to gain power. The old Grachian brother and Tribune of the Plebs move.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLNvcTK6DTU
Farage for example is worshipped by many people, despite cucking the BNP, preventing UKIP from developing to something more than just an Anti-EU party and prevented them from becoming more nationalist.
If we can't get rid of refugees and immigrants, because you just get turned from wherever you are on the political spectrum to ultra far right, why not build camp-cities for them in our country and try to extract as much value from them as possible? They are coming here on their own. Why not use them as an economic ressource and exploit it as much as possible for the benefit of us?
And radically invest in Education, public transport, development of Green Spaces, National Parks. Try to become energy independet from fossil fuels ASAP.
And the EU. You know, old school nationalism and trying to take Prussia back won't work. The EU is a good way to fullfill our geopoltiical ambitions. We just need to adjust it in a better direction.
Why does Latvia and Estonia need to be independent? They are just going to be influenced by Russia, the US or China. Why not have a European Empire? I agree with Richard Spencer. Being anti EU is too short-sighted.
I am seriously thinking about these issues and I think that something like this might be much more succesful, than bruteforcing deporation of refugees and migrants, which will just get you hated. I think many Lefties would support that.
Can you talk me out of that?
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[–] 18848189? ago
I've been saying the same thing. Taking a prescriptive rather than proscriptive approach is naturally going to gain more support anyway. Most importantly, it's the right thing to do.
Other anons have been supportive of the idea of attacking big oil from a nationalist standpoint.
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Right. I'm just using the term from Big T. Eco-nationalism.
[–] 18848200? ago
I dont think that you understand, lefties do not actually care about the environment. They care only about power and the way they gain power is by consistently pretending to care about people, which they do by adopting the cause of environmental protection. They did this with science too to help normalize homosexuality.
The way to defeat the leftist thinking is to take something and phrase it as a way to help people. If we take science and phrase it as ultimately the best way to bring peace and prosperity to all people and so everybody has enough room to live on any other planet they choose, we can appeal to literally everybody. The leftist doesnt have to understand this, he will understand one thing and one thing only: This helps people, so he is for it. Just like the ecofascist doesnt have to understand that science will also enable us to save the planet and limit homosexuality. It all comes through science. Both sides can come together with their best qualities behind science worship which means to advance as quickly as possible.
We can then use that argument for anything we want just like the leftists abused science and twisted it, we have the advantage that it's actually true that immigrants are ruining society and homos are ruining society etc.
[–] 18849053? ago
No, I understand perfectly. However, you might be misunderstanding where I'm coming from. The issue that you're raising is fair. Hardcore leftists do not care about hypocrisy but a lot of their base is not that way. The liars and legitimately evil opportunists are in charge, they don't represent everybody though. I'm glad no one wrote me off when I was a leftist. They essentially program "trigger phrases" to shut down a norm's reasoning centers. Getting past that is only half the battle.
I think you're being both too optimistic and too pessimistic. It doesn't make sense to group all of them together, instead the whole idea is to create fracture points in every plank in the mainstream platform to weed out the sincere people from the NPCs.
Science worship is dumb because there isn't anything spiritually satisfying behind it. Empirical observation is great but that's a process, not a set of beliefs. It can be easily twisted, which is why they're like that in the first place. It took us 8 years to actually get a large amount of people to accept the racial gaps in IQ despite knowing about them for 100. Don't assume instant acceptance. Unfortunately, everything is based on what people believe, not the objective truth.
You're assuming you can just go out and preach the truth and everybody will go, "yeah, totally!" when all evidence points to the contrary. I've been doing this for a long time, it doesn't matter if you're right, it matters if people listen.