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[–] 18654533? ago 

How do you deal with fed infiltrators?

COINTEL FOR BEGINNERS

Step 1: Compartmentalization.

Break group into smaller cells.

Share specific information only with those cells.

Step 2: Isolation.

Tell each group that there is a traitor/leak/mole within the whole group, but you trust THESE SPECIFIC PEOPLE and tell them to keep it to themselves while you root out the problem.

Step 3: Reduction.

Give each group a different piece of 'important' information.

Wait.

See what leaks. If information from group 1 leaks, it was someone in group 1, and so on.

Step 4: Repetition.

Repeat steps 1-3, breaking the leaking group into smaller and smaller sub-groups.

Step 5: Deduction.

Eventually, you're left with a narrow list of suspects.

Give each individual suspect information.

Wait.

See what leaks.

After finding your leak, you have a few ways to approach this.

Scenario A.) You suspect you have only one infiltrator.

1.) Compartmentalize around them. Put them into a group you trust to watch them, give them nothing of value, allow them to stay to keep from having to deal with more infiltrators.

Scenario B.) You suspect you have multiple infiltrators.

1.) Same as A.1, save that you inform your most trusted people (the ones you've known the longest, the ones that are least likely to be traitors such as blood relatives) of what's going on and then REPEAT COINTEL STEPS TO ROOT OUR FURTHER TRAITORS.

A.2) Kick out the traitor. Warning, the feds will probably send in a new traitor. Screen all new applicants thoroughly.

B.2) You suspect the feds likely already have other traitors who are smart enough to spot COINTEL ops used against them in your group and don't want them there. Disband the group. Wait. Reform the group with your inner circle of most trusted people–relatives, lifelong friends, etc. These people are only allowed to invite their own relatives and lifelong friends, and so on. Do not allow random people to join.

So, suppose you manage to secure your group against infiltrators but the feds really, really want to know what's going on in there. How do you prevent this?

A few basic rules:

NO CELLPHONES.

Every wireless phone, from smartphones to 'dumb' phones, to burner phones, can be tracked, intercepted, or have call and text records extracted or subpoenaed by LEOs. There are backdoor programs that will allow LEOs to turn on the mic and camera remotely and record everything nearby. Never take your phone to your meetings. Leave it at home. Screen for phones at the door and if anyone brought one, everyone is to leave for the day.

Pick one: a secure building you (or a member) owns that can be used discretely and swept regularly for bugs OR random meetup areas decided no more than a day out, preferably in wooded areas with no structures and good lines of sight on approaches.

In the first case, you're relying on having a building that's completely cleared out of everything but the most basic of the basics–lights and heating/cooling, maybe not even those. This place should be completely bare, with nowhere for anyone to hide electronic snooping devices such as cameras and mics. If you're careful, and consistent about checking for bugs, you'll likely be safe.

In the second case, you're relying on the 'open field' tactic. A pasture, an old fire road at a random mile marker, an old fire station in the middle of nowhere on some backroad no one ever travels, but somewhere away from people. Bring a large tent if it's going to rain. Park all vehicles close to the meeting place, open doors, turn on radios to play loudly–or bring a battery powered radio or two for the same purpose, that is, fucking up anyone trying to use parabolic or laser audio snooping.

Be fucking vague.

Never mention specific places, times, people, or plans out loud. Use notepads and burn the notes after if you have to. Never mention aloud a desire or plan to commit violence.

Familiarize yourself with your members, have no identifying marks.

No tattoos, no hand signs, nothing. You will know your members, their immediate family, their wife/husband, and their children on sight. Have nothing visible to tie your group together if you gather somewhere in public.

Do not gather in large numbers in public.

Do not attend rallies, protests, other public events.

Keep all arms and preparations secret, unless using the notepad method of sharing information.

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[–] 18657025? ago 

Your wrong on multiple accounts, unless this is a simple drug running gang in the western United states that brings in less than a mil a year or a very small cult fringe group. you will get fucked by following that advice if your name holds weight;

  1. Do not break the groups down. Despite what the Departed told you breaking people into small groups and feeding them doctored information is wrong. You are right compartmentalizing information is correct, however your organization should already be compartmentalized like a corporation and have rotating teams within compartments so you can easily pinpoint a rat by determining which single person has been in every team that had breaches of security. If group A was breached in July, Group B in June, Group D in August, and Bob Jackass was in those groups in that order you shoot Bob. It shouldnt be a get organized and start weeding out rats event, you should have your organization setup so rats weed themselves out naturally. Furthermore beyond all of this you need to make your people compete, they need to fear for their fucking lives if they are a rat. Make sure they know they have 20 eyeballs and ears on them at all times just waiting for them to slip up so their position is open for the hero. That is mostly how the cartels do it, by creating a culture around killing people.

  2. As far as cellphones go, dont buy American, buy foreign phones and load your own software or some sort of tails kernel onto the phone. Phones are as necessary as any other job, and if you properly setup your orginzations phones you can just PGP text over data without the feds even being able to locate you on a GPS, let alone send or recive texts from you, even if the rats give them your phones.

  3. Forget searching for bugs or stopping the feds from hearing you if your in a meeting with associates. If they are serious about catching you they wont just send in a guy with a wire like they do for small time dope dealers, they have the tech to make pin sized microphones that can pick up a duck shitting at hundreds of feet away and have for 20 years now. Just assume they are always listening and act accordingly no matter how overly paranoid you think it is.

Everything below that point you said though is spot on.

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[–] 18657935? ago 

You're not wrong about any of that, but as was pointed out in the thread about the CIA recruiting at comic conventions now, the alphabets are getting so desperate and full of diversity hires that the whole "assume you're being hunted by James Bond and Jason Bourne" spiel isn't going to hold water for much longer, if it's even holding water right now.

I'm not telling people to not be careful and secure, they always should be, and if you're worried about your own safety and the safety of others, this is all great advice. But it's important to remember that this is also how the Soviet Union died: in the end, their insistence on gulaging everyone capable of independent thought created a system where every single person in a position of power or authority was an absolute moron, as were all of their agents, all of their hands and eyes and ears. The hungry machine of progress and diversity marches every onwards: the tumblr posters and superhero aficionados of today are tomorrow's FBI ground teams and CIA operation specialists.

One of the consequences of driving all intelligent white men onto the other side of the law is that the law inevitably won't last for much longer after that. On some level, they know that, which is why they're starting to panic and reach out to anyone and everyone who might be even remotely qualified to do something in their field. But that's going to backfire on it's own, in time.

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[–] 18654534? ago 

And we are trusting people who tell us the info on how to detect and remove feds? Come on. They probably have a whole system in place if the situation of the people figuring out there is a mole. The method you said at the start is the most used method ever. They probably have a way to avoid getting caught.

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[–] 18654544? ago 

And we are trusting people who tell us the info on how to detect and remove feds?

Uh. What?

<You told me how to get rid of feds so you must be a fed.

That is shoe-on-head retarded.

They probably have a whole system in place if the situation of the people figuring out there is a mole.

Of course they do. But OP asked for how to remove moles, anon.

My personal advice? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Skip COINTEL and start your organization using the guidelines I provided. Keep it to people you know and people they know.

The method you said at the start is the most used method ever.

You're right, anon.

Putting cheese or peanut butter on a mouse trap is the most used method of baiting a trap ever. Maybe we should try some other method of catching mice before they catch on?

Oh, wait… we do it because it works, and it continues to work, because mice–and glow in the dark CIAniggers–are stupid, or can be forced/tempted to take the bait.

They probably have a way to avoid getting caught.

Yeah, it's called 'keeping their mouth shut and communicating with their support until suspicion dies off.' Except that won't work forever. It especially won't work if the bait is just too fucking good.

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[–] 18654535? ago 

Do you have any better suggestions, Anon?