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[–] 17599579? ago
Why'd they let him annex the Sudetenland then? Or Memel or Austria or Saarland or the Rhineland?
See, you're ignoring the fact that trying to fight a war that your public doesn't understand is risky. It's important to make the public feel that their cause is righteous. It's a tough sell to say that German land should not be in Germany. But why should Polish land be in Germany? Especially after what happened to Czechia.
Would you trust a man who annexed a nation after promising not to do so in exchange for X-majority land returned to his nation?
I wouldn't.
FIghting their way through Poland would have given Germany plenty of time to prepare AND ensured that they were viewed by all as the defenders of Europe from communism rather than an imperialist monster trying to steal everyone's land.
You must hate Otto Von Bismark.
Considering that Bismark united Germany and defeated France, I'd say he knew more about diplomacy and war than you.
Germany was aggressive to Poland. Should Poland have invaded?
And this I think is your real reason for disliking Poland so much. I suspect that you're one of those people that believe that all the land that Prussia conquered in the 19th century should be German again despite the clear Polish majority. Though please do prove me wrong.
Danzig was German. No question. But most of the rest of western Poland was Polish majority.
If it's wrong for Czechs to rule German majority Sudetenland, it is wrong for Germans to rule Polish lands.
Hitler claimed that he only wanted to bring all German lands into a united Germany. I hold him to his word.
[–] 17599590? ago
That were never Polish lands.
Wilson promised to fight for the right of self determination of the people. Means people can decide which nation they want to belong.
That principle, enshrined into League of Nations and UN charta, was immediately thrown out for the looser of the first and second World War.
Non of the territories Poland gained after the wars was defined by popular vote. Instead it was decided that Poland “need” access to sea, so a corridor was cut into German territory without any consultation of the affected people if the want become Polish.
It was decided that Danzig should not be German, without asking its citizen. Contrary any citizen of Danzig that would have declared his preference of Germany was to be immediately deported to Germany.
Self-determination of people, my ass!
The only vote that was held because the PTB expected a different result, “Polish” Silesia voted to 70 percent to remain with Germany. Poland could gain only through generous gerry-mandering by the allies.
Austria was forbidden to reunite with the rest of Germany in 1918 and after the second World War.
The Austrian vote twice, once unanimous including the communist and with a overwhelming large majority for reunification with Germany. Today it is a crime punishable up to ten years of jail (same as holocaust scepticism) to call for unification with Germany or even to mention that Austrians are Germans too.
[–] 17599595? ago
Poles live there. Poles are a majority. Thus it is Polish land.
Answer this; If roles had been reversed and Poland ruled Prussia, would you say "Oh it's nat german land?"
Well?
And all of the places in question were Polish majority.
Yes they were. They were taken by the final popular vote; the sword. They were Polish majority and this is why the Poles so easily took them from the outnumbered German police. To deny this is to deny observable fact.
The exception to this was Dansig and the land around it.
Now, normally I'd state that Danzig was German and thus should go to Germany. But you seem to have no problem with the multiculturalist imperialism of Germans ruling over Poles. So if that is the case, why should it not be the other way around?
Tell me, what nationality are you? Would YOU want to be ruled by foreigners? (technically we already are and that's the problem)
Yes. Awful. A crime against Germany. A crime against humanity.
We agree.
Now I ask you, should Polish majority lands be awarded to Germany without a vote?
Actually, that division of land is not so bad if you look at it from a nationalist's perspective rather than a civic nationalist's perspective. The borders were divided baded on ethnic majority. Look at a map.
All Germans should be united. That's my point. And all Polacks should be united.
Why should one people be united and anotehr people not be?
[–] 17599587? ago
Because for going to war one needs an army. Armies don’t fall from the sky it takes years to build them. England had no noteworthy land forces and France was pouring (literally) the arms budget into bunkers.
While Germany was disarmed, had no armed forces to speak of, the allies were wary of the new government that promised not to bend over. The experience the allies had in Russia and Turkey were “defeated” countries pushed them out with a popular uprising made them careful.
Of course the plan was that the Soviet Union should pick the hot potatoes and fight with Germany on behalves of the allies.
The British politics tried to create such a situation since a long time. Rapallo did throw a wrench into their machinations. It lead to political assassinations, the foreign minister Rathenau was killed. Hitler and the anti-communist right were strict against any relations to the SU. Unbeknown to them enabled this treaty Germany’s rearmament.
When Hitler became chancellor the British cosied to his government. His anti-communist stance was publicly seen as a positive (in antagonizing the Soviets). They did throw some bones to him (Anglo-German Naval treaty) and secretly collaborated in defeating the communist government in Spain. Publicly did Britain already prepare for war against Germany by pushing out atrocity propaganda.
Britain's plan developed nicely, only the Soviets wouldn’t play ball. If not through there spys, so was it still relatively transparent what kind of false game Britain did play.
Germany did seek to build an anti-communist alliance. Inviting Poland and Britain into it. In the end it was just Italy and Japan who signed a relative consequence-less treaty, more a letter of intent.
The Soviets out manoeuvred the Brits and French by making temporary peace with Germany (that was always official party line). All the allied intrigue did fall back onto Britain and France. The USA was at that time already fully involved even no formal partner.
[–] 17601805? ago
France had a demonstrably larger army than Germany during that time though.
Britain was probably unreachable. Their interests tied up in jewish finances and the Anglo obsession with their precious "balance of power."
But Poland had every reason to ally with Germany. Japan was a useless, shitty, worthless ally. She pulled Germany into stupid wars and Hitler paid through the nose for absolutely nothing. Japan was worthless.
Poland on the otherhand could have actually aided Germany diplomatically, economically, and militarily. 2 million extra men, better tanks than Germany, a large airforce, and strategic depth that would ally the Soviet invasion to be blunted in Poland before it even reached Germany. A Mitteleuropa alliance would have been fantastic. Especially without France and Britain being at war with Germany.