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[–] 17599568? ago 

>>13005318

Hitler didn't declare war

The worst thing is that technically Hitler didn't even "declare" war on Poland. He just attacked them without warning.

No shit?

Wow, just wow ultra peaceful, non-confrontal Poland attacked without warning! (The bullet holes in the Lufthansa plane wer just coincidently)

>>13009549

>>13009233

Well, I can think of one option he had that would guarantee that he was not the aggressor; Not attacking Poland.

OK Britain and France actively sought an alliance with Soviet Union for the explicit purpose of attacking Germany and Poland was invited to join that aggression pact – fact!

Moscow in March 1939 the Kremlin negotiations of Robert Hudson, Britain’s Minister of Overseas Trade. Under cover of trade negotiations Hudson was trying - unsuccessfully, as it turned out to persuade Stalin to join the anti-Hitler alliance.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050308223557/http://www.seftondelmer.co.uk/ian-fleming-james-bond.htm

As for the USSR, yes obviously Stalin would have eventually attacked Europe to try to create his empire. So why not let him attack Poland and then swoop in to save Poland from communist invasion? The Poles would have offered Germany anything Hitler wanted just to defend them from the USSR. Danzig, the entire Polish corridor, Upper Silesia, anything. And Hitler would be loved by the Polish for saving them.

What a retarded “plan”. Obvious non-military.

First, it is a total stupid idea to let the Soviet war machine gain speed to steamroll towards west. You wont be able to stop them.

While the French and British miltary was bigger and better equipped than the Wehrmacht, the Red Army was known to be several times bigger, in fact the Red Army was several times bigger than the most generous estimations of the time.

So your “plan” is totally shit and a complete fantasy strategy of an arm chair general, a totally clueless arm chair general.

>>13009782

more divisions would Germany AND Poland to defend it.

Poland was a push over, a brutal bully of civilians and a wannabe conqueror. Poland would have served for nothing but being the staging place against the SU.

If the USSR attacked Poland in 1941, then first they'd need to get through the very large and mechanized Polish army

The Soviet would have squashed them like bugs.

defeating the communists in 1920

The Red Army of the late 1930’s was a complete different beast.

The combined might of Germany and Poland would be more than a match for the poorly motivated communist serfs.

This is what Poles believe.

>>13009582

Its the difference between waiting for 600 divisions to get ready, supplied and organised Vs catching them having a cheeky wank in the loos

Exactly!

>>13010220

>>13009782

Poland started World War 2 by attacking the radio station at Gleiwitz. Everyone knows this…

But they did that only in 1945!

>>13010317

>>13010171

Polish troops were openly violating Germany's frontier.

Are you talking about the radio-station false flag?

There is no mentioning of a radio-station attack in the German white book of the reason for war with Poland.

This book is available in English (abridged) and German at archive.org

The Gleiwitz radio-station attack is a total made up story by the allies. The “evidence” consist of the tortured out statement of a former SS officer for the Nurenberg Trials.

That is the standard of allied justice and history writing.

13010317

>>13010220

Just like how the Viet Cong attacked the US in the Gulf of Tonkin.

Somehow I don't buy that.

>>13010171

Polish troops were openly violating Germany's frontier.

Are you talking about the radio-station false flag?

I've spent a lot of time looking for evidence of this

You spend shit. You haven’t read not even the German White Book of the reason for war with Poland.

and most of the incidents happened after the war began. Horrible, certainly. But if we're going to start pointing fingers at nations that practiced ethnic cleansing and denouncing them… well, was there even one righteous nation?

One million Germans did flee the Polish occupied territories between 1918 and 1939.

The Poles attacked Germany and Germans in Poland and over the border. Poland did shoot up Lufthansa planes to Danzig.

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[–] 17599570? ago 

Britain and France actively sought an alliance with Soviet Union for the explicit purpose of attacking Germany and Poland

And they rejected them for an "alliance" with Hitler to attack Poland.

What exactly was the point you were trying to convey?

Obvious non-military.

a totally clueless arm chair general.

I'm sure you're a former special ops super-soldier with over 300 confirmed kills.

Somehow I suspect your military education comes mostly from videogames.

it is a total stupid idea to let the Soviet war machine gain speed to steamroll towards west. You wont be able to stop them.

Poland did and Germany crushed them in the early phases of the war. Can you come up with one reason why Germany and Poland could not have stopped them again?

the Red Army was known to be several times bigger

Bigger =/= better.

The Gleiwitz radio-station attack is a total made up story by the allies

Alright then. What do you claim was the reason for the invasion?

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[–] 17599572? ago 

>>13010770

Britain and France actively sought an alliance with Soviet Union for the explicit purpose of attacking Germany and Poland

What exactly was the point you were trying to convey?

Britain and France actively sought an alliance with Soviet Union for the explicit purpose of attacking Germany

And they rejected them for an "alliance" with Hitler to attack Poland.

The Soviets were no dummies, Stalin the least with his spies in the British government.

Of course did Stalin know that the British plan was to pit Germany against the SU. That was no secret, that was published by all communist media of the time. Mkay?

The point is Britain and France sought war with Germany before Germany was at war with Poland, the alleged reason British and French declaration of war.

Another point is that while Poland was “invited” in the alliance against Germany, it was expect from Poland to let in the Soviet for the attack against Germany. Poland polity refused.

So anyway you look at it, your “peace loving” British, French cabal was lusting to go to war with Germany.

Poland did

The Red Army of the civil war era was primitive equipped, while Poland had for the time modern French arms, still they barely could stop them. That is the reason the Poles talk of the “Miracle on the Vistula”.

Germany crushed them in the early phases of the war.

When they hadn’t fully mobilized and were ready.

Can you come up with one reason why Germany and Poland could not have stopped them again?

Only an idiot would wait for his enemy to marshal his whole strength to attack.

I'm sure you're a former special ops super-soldier with over 300 confirmed kills.

Your right, my speciality is detecting bull shit before stepping in.

The Gleiwitz radio-station attack is a total made up story by the allies

Alright then. What do you claim was the reason for the invasion?

Oh the old jewish tactic to repeat the already answered question.

The reason for Germany to go to war with Poland were Poland's continued and permanent aggression in addition to Poland occupying large tracts of Germany.