"The Waco siege was the siege of a compound belonging to the Branch Davidians, carried out by American federal and Texas state law enforcement, as well as the U.S. military, between February 28 and April 19, 1993. The Branch Davidians were led by David Koresh and were headquartered at Mount Carmel Center ranch in the community of Axtell, Texas, 13 miles (21 kilometers) east-northeast of Waco. Suspecting the group of stockpiling illegal weapons, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) obtained a search warrant for the compound and arrest warrants for Koresh and a select few of the group's members.
The incident began when the ATF attempted to raid the ranch. An intense gun battle erupted, resulting in the deaths of four government agents and six Branch Davidians. Upon the ATF's failure to raid the compound, a siege lasting 51 days was initiated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Eventually, the FBI launched an assault and initiated a tear gas attack in an attempt to force the Branch Davidians out of the ranch. During the attack, a fire caused by Federal agents engulfed Mount Carmel Center. In total, 86 people, 82 of which were innocent died, including David Koresh. "
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[–] 16383049? ago
He didn't "release" people because he was never holding them hostage. Some came out in the early part of the siege and all of them were instantly taken into custody and the children were sent to the CPS in Texas. The CPS stated that all the children that ended up in their care were well behaved, educated, and showed no signs of abuse. The adults all ended up getting charged for murder of ATF officers and some still sit in prison to this day despite a jury finding them innocent on that charge. The jury did find them guilty of having "illegal firearms" and the judge just tied the two charges together and gave all of them the maximum sentence. He basically overruled the jury's findings and sentenced them for murder anyway.
The part about "God told me not to come out" is partly his religion and partly because the Government kept escalating the situation. They cut power to the compound and employed psychological warfare tactics against them. They had sniper posted all around the compound (one of which being the man that killed an innocent woman at Ruby Ridge). They had armed goons posted all around that were taunting through various means (mooning, giving the finger, along with other schoolyard antics). They were constantly driving tanks around the compound removing trees/material in preparation for the final assault. People could have left the compound at any time but were afraid they'd be shot where they stood for attempting it.
On the day of the final assault Delta team was on the grounds. Officially, they were there to "advise the FBI" but what really happened is they were taking part in the assault itself. Delta can only be called out by order of the president as they're basically the president's private army. When the final assault started nerve gas was pumped directly into the building at the known locations of the children inside with full awareness that there were not gas masks for the kids. When the building caught fire the FBI's own FLIR video shows Government officials discharging fully automatic rifles into the escape points of the building. The "bunker" where the women and children were taken to weather the assault had a high explosive charge placed on the roof which caused a massive hole allowing the fire to penetrate inside of it. The Government's own video shows that rebar was blown downwards and a massive hole in the concrete of the roof. The FBI's own team members has said that after the attack they discovered multiple bodies of women and children with bullet holes in them.
These bodies, along with all material from the compound were destroyed before any independent investigation could occur. The bunker was supposed to be buried on the property but when people went looking for it years later everything had been removed from the property. The bodies were supposed to be kept on ice until autopsies could be performed but the FBI cut power to those trailers and allowed them to rot destroying all evidence. The flash bangs that were used in the assault turned up later in evidence mislabeled as "silencers" and "gun parts".
Koresh said he could come out after he'd written down some text and was in the process of finishing it when the assault occurred. He was writing something related to the 7 seals and had placed the first one out a window for the world to see a day or two before the attack. The people inside the compound were surviving on rain water and drinking less than 8 ounces a day. They'd run out of food and hadn't fired a shot since the first day when the ATF shot at them unprovoked. Why would they remain inside a place like that, where the Government had told them if they approached a window it would be considered a threat and they'd get shot unless they feared for their lives? The Government was basically proving everything they believed to be correct: That this was the end of days and Babylon had come to their door steps to kill them all. All the Government had to do was talk to them in good faith and de-escalate the situation.
[–] 16383127? ago
>>12433035
That still doesn't explain why many young girls said he touched them
[–] 16383096? ago
>>12433035
All that's missing is the part that WACO was a rescure shelter for kids who were being sexually trafficked by the CIA from a nearby trafficking point, and, besides all the other reasons you stated, this was really the main reason to destroy them and destroy all evidence surrounding the circumstances of the compound as quickly as possible.
[–] 16383148? ago
Can anyone elaborate on this? I buy that it was the reason, but I would like to know more about this angle.
[–] 16383083? ago
>>12433035
Finally a legit oldfag posting, I didn't think any were left
[–] 16383066? ago
>>12433035
Thank you for answering my questions. Your extended post needs to be made its own thread, stickied, and forcibly tattooed to the brains of every White American who does not care about Waco. Which is almost all of them.
In a first for me insofar as things found posted on the Internet are concerned, I will be quoting these words, credit Anonymous:
I have only one quibble with what you said:
The Disconnect
The penultimate and ultimate clauses are not connected in reality. The memory must be kept alive, and it is every man's duty to keep it alive; but that is a matter of principle, and of conserving historical knowledge on the slight chance that the White man avoids extinction, and thus has future generations to care about such things.
But educating the public is useless (as Hitler observed in Mein Kampf I, Chapter 12). The American people do not care. The United States government massacred Americans in broad daylight; and aside from a few pockets of mostly impotent outrage, the reaction was to uncomfortably change the channel and forget within fifteen minutes. And I refer here to those few Americans who were not so actively evil as to lap up the lies and cheer the mass-murderers.
The reason why Americans do not care is not ignorance, or lack of "redpills". For twenty-five years, the truth about Waco has been readily available to anybody even vaguely aware that the mainstream media is not always entirely truthful — that is, everybody who is not a total fool. The Waco truth has been spread by persons of a wide range of mutually exclusive political opinions, from libertarians to National Socialists. Indeed, I myself first bumped into the basic facts about Waco when I was a youth shamefully bedazzled by the artful dissimulation of (((Ayn Rand))).
No, the reason why Americans don't care is that Waco is not real to them — and they don't wait it to be! They live in a world of movie violence and blood-soaked videogames. They are not like the men of centuries past, who were acquainted with the facts of life from the slaughter of farm animals to the waging of war. It is not so much that they are "desensitized", but rather, that they are mentally habituated to transmuting reality to fantasy — not vice versa, as is commonly supposed. This provides an easy escape for moral cowards — and that is what they are, moral cowards.
When shown a Holohoax mockumentary, they will believe it because that is convenient. It costs them nothing, avoids uncomfortable costs, and also helps them rationalize the plain fact that their own granddaddies invaded Europe and consummated the Suicide of the White Race. Therefore, the images and "facts" they see are real to them.
But when told the truth about Waco, it is to them as if watching a dark Hollywood thriller. Yes, they feel the same upset they feel at a horror movie. They disconnect. It is unreal. It is not a fact of the world in which they live, and thus can never affect their daily lives.
(To be continued due to post length limit…)
[–] 16383068? ago
…and other gross infelicities of wording. I should not attempt to write when shaking with rage.
[–] 16383067? ago
A proof is in the violent hatred they pour out for a man to whom Waco was real. Timothy McVeigh did not disconnect, did not evade. To him, the massacre was real, unacceptable, and demanding of a real response. Equal and opposite reaction. His real-world reaction stripped naked their hypocrisy.
Yes, McVeigh had some flaws both strategically and philosophically. This does not elide the fact that he had some qualities unknown to Boobus Americanus: Moral courage — and the humane decency to care more about the victims at Waco than he did about his own life, a decency unknown to moral imbeciles who let mass-murders go unpunished.
Now, observe how much McVeigh is vilely traduced and disavowed by people who claim to remember Waco, claim to be outraged, and even claim to hate the murderous tyranny which committed the Waco massacre. He is to them a reminder that this is real, this actually happened — and somebody actually did something about it, which you never will. His logical, real-world response of meeting violence with violence and not mere words is a piercing reminder of their own cowardice, their submissiveness to the masters they claim to defy, their utter impotence. He is their enemy — worse than the "ZOG", the "Feds", the "Gubmint", or whatever other epithets they toss at their owners, to whom they surrendered themselves without fighting.
By obediently joining their masters' scripted condemnations of McVeigh as a criminal, a murderer, and a "domestic terrorist", they shield themselves against the accusation presented by his very existence — and they irrevocably choose sides. The price for this comfort is their souls, their children's birthright, and the very existence of their posterity. For this, for the convenience of a cowardly evasion, they have sold their own children's freedom, and condemned their future generations to slavery or extinction. For Waco and Ruby Ridge were just the start… >>12429362
Of course, this is only one instance of their consistent pattern of behavior, always and everywhere. They make that devil's deal every day of their lives, just as did their fathers and grandfathers. But it is symbolic. And it is revealing.
The Americans have sealed their own doom — the word "doom" being a Germanic word for judgment.
For that judgment, a government which mass-murders its citizens in broad daylight and does not face immediate insurrection is the greater proof emphasized by the aforestated symbolic exception. What? That sounds dangerous, and even illegal! Somebody might get hurt. Quick, change the channel. For no such thing to have occurred a quarter-century later is a magnitude of proof which words cannot adequately describe. The Americans regard their own lives as worthless, for they regard their fellow Americans' lives as worthless; and they do not know the meaning of freedom. Their condign punishment shall be to receive what they accepted, and thus, what they implicitly wished upon themselves.
Yes, people get the government they deserve.
To those few who wish to escape that terrible fate, the only possible chance is not merely "remembering", but accepting that this is a memory of real events. Accepting that reality without evasion imposes a choice: Either act in reality, for neither justice nor freedom are wrought by mere words — or frankly give up in reality, and honestly forswear your own soul and your own posterity. The latter alternative being a fate worse than death for any man worthy of the word, the only answer is radicalization.
We may never know the true number of Americans who met reality head-on a quarter-century ago. McVeigh was an honorable man, who claimed full responsibility so as to protect his comrades, if any; by taking the fall for them, he also inadvertently received historical credit as possibly the only able-bodied man in the entire United States who was fully awake at that time, not disconnected, and not a base poltroon.
The future depends on there being more with the moral courage to not disconnect.