"The Waco siege was the siege of a compound belonging to the Branch Davidians, carried out by American federal and Texas state law enforcement, as well as the U.S. military, between February 28 and April 19, 1993. The Branch Davidians were led by David Koresh and were headquartered at Mount Carmel Center ranch in the community of Axtell, Texas, 13 miles (21 kilometers) east-northeast of Waco. Suspecting the group of stockpiling illegal weapons, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) obtained a search warrant for the compound and arrest warrants for Koresh and a select few of the group's members.
The incident began when the ATF attempted to raid the ranch. An intense gun battle erupted, resulting in the deaths of four government agents and six Branch Davidians. Upon the ATF's failure to raid the compound, a siege lasting 51 days was initiated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). Eventually, the FBI launched an assault and initiated a tear gas attack in an attempt to force the Branch Davidians out of the ranch. During the attack, a fire caused by Federal agents engulfed Mount Carmel Center. In total, 86 people, 82 of which were innocent died, including David Koresh. "
Daily reminder that you're living in a nightmarish police state.
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[–] 16383008? ago
To be clear up-front, I have no sympathy with the Davidians' beliefs. I vehemently oppose Christianity; I also vehemently oppose the mass-murder of (mostly) Aryans, who happened to be Christians with some absurd superstitions just as have all Christians. As such, I say the following…
No, I think it's quite clear that the plan from the beginning was to annihilate the Davidians and leave no witnesses. (Women and children are witnesses, too.) The perfunctory pretense of negotiations was only made for the purpose of fooling people like you.
If the Feds had wanted to arrest Koresh, they could have nabbed him anytime he ran errands in town, as he regularly did. Or they could have served a warrant per normal police process. Instead, they filed secret charges under seal, then sent a small army to launch an all-out assault on a wooden communal home — and then, after a dog and pony show for the public, they burnt the place and absurdly accused the dead Davidians of having burnt themselves.
Their intent was never to arrest. That would mean a trial. A trial means talking.
>>12380390 spoke wisely here. Yes, I "wonder", too. Nobody knows, although there is much speculation on the topic. All we really know for certain is that it was B'nai B'rith who first pointed a finger at the Davidians, thus sending their ZOG lackeys to pounce. Jewish hatred may have been enough. Or there may have been something more. I would welcome some actual evidence, as opposed to speculation.
Yes, after the Treasury Department's army (why does the Treasury Department have its own army!?) made fools of themselves getting their butts kicked, they called for FBI help and then dallied a bit so that the jewspapers could brainwash the American public to hate this wicked "cult". I remember that part, too. Then, they annihilated the Davidians with the extreme overkill of attacking ants with a blowtorch. Not only did they leave no witnesses: They very nearly left no bodies. If I recall correctly, it took about two weeks for specialists to identify which bit of charred remains had been Howell/Koresh.
[–] 16383031? ago
So after the siege began he did allow some children to leave and they weren't massacred as they left.
Thus if he had wanted to he could have probably taken the entire crew of people and walked out of there.
Now was the government wrong to massacre them? Yes of course, they were communist criminal monsters, but Koresh himself was a freak a fucker and a doofus.
In the first few days, the FBI believed they had made a breakthrough when they negotiated with Koresh an agreement that the Branch Davidians would peacefully leave the compound in return for a message, recorded by Koresh, being broadcast on national radio.[23] The broadcast was made, but Koresh then told negotiators that God had told him to remain in the building and "wait".[23] Despite this, soon afterwards negotiators managed to facilitate the release of 19 children, ranging in age from five months to 12 years old, without their parents.[12] However, 98 people remained in the building.
[–] 16383033? ago
You did not cite a source; but it looked obvious, and was easy enough to find. Here is a permanent link to this version:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Waco_siege&oldid=868687457
Now, the citations referenced in this passage:
<12. [Psychotherapy Networker, March/April 2007, "Stairway to Heaven; Treating children in the crosshairs of trauma." Excerpt from the book The Boy Who Was Raised as a Dog by Bruce Perry and Maia Szalavitz.
<23. Neil Rawles (February 2, 2007). Inside Waco (Television documentary). Channel 4/HBO.
You will forgive me if I wax a wee bit skeptical at sources which are 666% kiked, as filtered through the lens of what is today one of the most influential Jewish mass-propaganda operations in the Western world. This is not a glib brush-off: Based on hard experience, I have found it wise to hold a rebuttable presumption that such sources contain substantive inaccuracies. Indeed, I have never yet found any instance where they don't, at least as to politically sensitive topics.
I am not personally an expert on the history of the Waco massacre, and don't claim to be. Now, you've made a positive assertion that Koresh was "a freak a fucker and a doofus". If, in support thereof, you wish to better educate me with something more reliable than HBO TV (!), a psychotherapy periodical (!), or goddamn Wikipedia (!!), please feel free. I'll be watching this thread.
If that last is a reference to Koresh's religious beliefs, well — the article I cited upthread was written by a militant atheist, whose judgment in these matters I trust. That should give you a measure of how much I (don't) sympathize with the gross superstitions of any sect of Christianity. But free men who mind their own business in their own little communities have a right to entertain silly notions without a Treasury Department army (why does the Treasury Department have its own army!?) gassing and incinerating them over it. As far as I'm concerned, this was about equivalent to a massacre of the Amish.
Whereas if you were insinuating some moral equivocation about the massacre, you'll have an awful uphill battle persuading any sane person that Koresh and his folks deserved this in any way. Thus far, you've given me HBO TV (!) and a psychotherapy periodical (!), via goddamn Wikipedia (!!). Actually, I think you thus made my point.
(The fact that Wikipedia considers an HBO "documentary" to be a "reliable source" should tell you all you need to know about the Kike Encyclopedia. I hope you don't learn your info about the Holohoax from them.)