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[–] 16382898? ago 

Ruby Ridge, in particular, was the result of poor communication and basically opposite conflict resolution strategies employed by the ATF, USMS and the FBI. There was probably a minor coverup in the official reports to hide the fact that one of the agents in particular really fucked up under pressure so he could keep his job.

Waco was less black and white but Occam's razor would point to bureaucratic fuckups between the ATF and the FBI. Reorganization has occurred since to make repeats less likely.

That being said, I would heavily suggest looking into actual evidence and firsthand accounts as opposed to just believing hearsay from survivalist types or the feds. If you're uncritical of literally anything about these cases you're probably retarded.

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[–] 16382899? ago 

ATF false flagged it all to justify not getting their entire budget wiped. Read a pdf got from here, dont remember where.

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[–] 16382901? ago 

Think it was a /k improve home defense pdf anecdote, apologies for drunken double post. Sage.