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[–] 16174273? ago 

that's only one possible side effect

This is a textbook example of moving the goalpost.

removing people's freedom to choose

People acting in hysterical ways, creating populations vulnerable to recently suppressed diseases, necessitates some form of action. Basically, when your freedom to choose inflicts disease upon society, you either lose that freedom of choice or other putative measures take place.

It's interesting how you're on the board that condemns gays for spreading disease across society but defend the right of people to use their kids to the same effect.

that's government-speak

This is rhetoric. You're deliberately obfuscating because the plain truth is that refusing to vaccinate has resulted in outbreaks of old diseases - just like our knowledge of medicine would tell us.

>>12684200

This is an example of rhetoric. Your forfeit the discussion by relinquishing facts and changing the topic.

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[–] 16174288? ago 

Mercury in the blood causes nerve damage.

FACT.

Aluminum in the blood causes nerve damage.

FACT.

Many vaccines contain mercury and aluminum compounds, ostensibly as "stabilizers and preservatives."

FACT.

These nerve damaging compounds are injected into people, including small children at their MOST VULNERABLE PERIODS OF BRAIN DEVELOPMENT.

FACT.

The government in many countries is trying to make or has made it illegal to refuse to vaccinate children, and "anti-vaxxers" are portrayed as demented idiots. It is likely that some are, but isn't it DAMN convenient that the government wants to be able to FORCE you and your children to take injections of compounds that you know NOTHING about? And to punish you if you ask too many questions?

Can you not see how that could be abused?

As in, WILL be?

As in, likely already has been?

This does not mean that "vaccines are entirely bad." This does not mean that "vaccines are not real." This does not mean that "vaccines should be banned." This does not mean that "vaccines don't work."

This DOES mean that some compounds in many vaccines cause brain damage and are likely a major contributing factor to the rise of autism and related issues.

The point is that vaccines must be MADE BETTER with less toxic stabilizers and preservatives.

This is a critical issue, yet discussing it is treated as some sort of "taboo." Stupid.

Your freedom to choose is hurting society!!!!

So goes the siren song of totalitarianism.

And, no, I do not support totalitarianism. I support a free society of the Volk. Wanting to be with my own people in a homeland of my own people with a government of my people, by my people, and for my people is not totalitarian. It is rather the opposite.

>>12684567

Let's see….

Qcumbers: TRUST THE PLAN!!!! There are more "good guys" than bad!!!! Where we go one, we go all!!!!

Vaccine apologists: TRUST THE PLAN!!!! There are more "good drug companies" than bad!!!! Where we vaccinate one, we vaccinate all!!!!!!

Hmmmmmm……….

Almost as if the vaccine apologists are the ones who think like Qultists……..

>>12684685

It's two bad choices.

Don't vaccinate your kids = they could die or be crippled by a serious disease.

Vaccinate your kids = mercury and aluminum compounds cause brain damage leading to loss of IQ, autism, and other brain problems.

Sucks.

The best solution is safer vaccines, but certain groups control all the drug companies and DGAF about "the masses," other than as meat robots.

A middle ground may be to only give a minimum of the most essential vaccines, and as late as possible to minimize brain damage.

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[–] 16177502? ago 

FACT.

Every statement here is conditional. Do you not know that one of the most important considerations is DOSE? Not to mention how the body breaks down and excretes foreign compounds. Ethyl mercury was selected for SOME vaccines, specifically flu vaccines, because it DOES NOT maintain itself in the body.

These nerve damaging compounds are injected into…small children

This is simply false. MMR vaccines do NOT contain mercury. I said this from the outset.

It is also false that mercury is linked to autism. Medical research has demonstrated a GENETIC link. Not an environmental one.

The government in many countries is trying to make or has made it illegal to refuse to vaccinate children, and "anti-vaxxers" are portrayed as demented idiots.

Simple answer: IDIOTS act hysterically, refuse to vaccinate their kids, and create a public health hazard as previously eradicated diseases come back in epidemics. The government cannot force those people to READ AND UNDERSTAND medicine. The health crisis prevails because of those adults' stupidity. So the government does what it does best: it uses force.

Can you not see how that could be abused?

Of course it will. Can YOU not see that this was an inevitable outcome of giving retarded people misinformation? How about this take: Alternative medicine is a 200 billion dollar industry. Doesn't it strike you as interesting how this anti-vaxxer hysteria gives black PR to their competitors? Almost looks like a shadow war is being fought between industrial titans using people as unwitting pawns.

This DOES mean that some compounds in many vaccines cause brain damage and are likely a major contributing factor to the rise of autism and related issues.

No it does not. Because this particular issue has been EXHAUSTIVELY researched. Take a day and look at PRIMARY RESEARCH published in medical journals. It's all there. Your assertion has been disproven and is laughably false.

And, no, I do not support totalitarianism. I support a free society of the Volk.

You support giving stupid people misinformation, which inevitably leads to government intervention, which spirals down towards totalitarianism. If you want a free society, then you must demand that stupid people are kept contained, or more realistically you must expect that people are held to a higher standard and are not allowed to become stupid. Free societies cannot exist with a majority of stupid people occupying them.

It's two bad choices.

It really isn't. It's a choice between a very small risk of death or debilitating injury (NOT AUTISM, but complications from CERTAIN vaccines), or exposing your child to viruses which can cause much worse problems.

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[–] 16175341? ago 

This anon, and the fact that vaccines companies are immune being sued. If you want your children to take vaccines, just take most important ones and don't pump your children with a lot of vaccines, also be sure to know all the compounds in vaccines.

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[–] 16174295? ago 

also it's common sense to not let the government inject things directly into your bloodstream

you never know what could be in those vaxxes

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[–] 16174291? ago 

tfw I was born into a teutonic nobility, I was never vaccinated, and I look and feel totally fine

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[–] 16174276? ago 

This is a textbook example of moving the goalpost.

what you are doing is taking one claim - autism - and asserting that no side effects exists which is unscientific nonsense - specifically when the precise side effects are mentioned on the vaccines themselves, if you bothered to look

People acting in hysterical ways, creating populations vulnerable to recently suppressed diseases, necessitates some form of action.

denying science is not "action" but propganda

Basically, when your freedom to choose inflicts disease upon society, you either lose that freedom of choice or other putative measures take place.

you are asserting that there is a desired outcome that is achievable for 'society' and the individuals are worthless - so long as the majority of people live reasonable lives - which is some class 1 bullshit because it negates individuality and agency

It's interesting how you're on the board that condemns gays for spreading disease across society but defend the right of people to use their kids to the same effect.

why are you forcing opinions on me? who the fuck are you???

This is rhetoric. You're deliberately obfuscating because the plain truth is that refusing to vaccinate has resulted in outbreaks of old diseases

you are demanding that some people become disabled or die for your unprovable desired societal outcome, which is morally repugnant. in fact, your entire post is despicable in its ignorance and presumptions about me

just like our knowledge of medicine would tell us.

what knowledge? you have no facts! all you have is weak talking points either handed to you on a sheet or learned in reddit