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[–] Octoclops 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The ball is in their court

If you expect women to take initiative then you know fuck all about women.

because if they don't they'll get what they deserve under one form or patriarchy or another

You say that like it's a bad thing, or like there is another option.

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[–] library_of_stupid 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

If you expect women to take initiative then you know fuck all about women.

I don't expect it, but this is what it will take to bridge the gap they themselves have created. I see no other solution, because I can't imagine too many men will find the motivation to make even more sacrifices for the "prize" that is the modern Western woman.

You say that like it's a bad thing, or like there is another option.

It's a bad thing if the patriarchy is a Muslim one.