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[–] AlphaWookie 9 points -1 points (+8|-9) ago 

The electric car is not going to be widely adopted for a long fucking time world wide or in the first world, if ever. That is just the way it is. Electric cars depend on first rate national infrastructure. South America does not have that, Africa does not have that, Asia does not have that and will not for another century at best. Those places with a first rate infrastructure often that system does not extend to its rural communities i.e. broadband internet for example. Also electric cars will never solve long haul trucking battery tech is 100+ years old there is a power to weight ratio problem and there will never be a break through in battery tech to solve that. Also have you noticed how despite having some of the most advanced batteries and energy efficient smartphones in the world people load them up with apps and features that they are still getting nearly the same amount of practical usage time as phones from 20 years ago. Despite gas cars getting more efficient people drive more and for longer than ever. People use tech to its fullest and always demand more.

The real issue is changing human behavior and if you get that figure that out you are smarter than all the greatest minds that have ever lived and tried to govern humanity.

Sorry to burst peoples bubbles.

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[–] SilverBanana 1 point 21 points (+22|-1) ago 

All your arguments could be made in favour of horses in 1900.

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[–] DeepFriedPickles 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Not really. The leap from horse-ready roads to car-ready roads was virtually none at all. Even gas stations were only a matter of convenience since unlike electricity you can carry around extra cans of gas in your car. To make electric cars viable for anything more than driving within one city you'll need some serious infrastructure upgrades, such as those fancy roads that can generate an electric circuit to recharge your battery or installing 'charging stations' at parking lots.

The benefit of gasoline-powered cars is an always will be the ability to be (relatively) self-sufficient. Horses are of course more self-sufficient then cars but you're missing the BIGGEST FUCKING DIFFERENCE. There is a HUGE convenience difference between a horse and a car, such as the latter being able to go a hundred kph faster, providing shelter, and not getting tired. There is zero convenience difference between electric and gas cars. Why would a society blow billions on infrastructure when there is no motivation?

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[–] DeepFriedPickles ago 

Even here, if you have the car just for city driving you'll be fine unless you're doing some obscene commute

I don't think many US families would be on-board for having to buy at least two cars; an electric one for the city and a gas one for any road trips, family visits, camping, etc. Like everything it's a money issue. Convincing people to spend more money for a less convenient option is a fool's task

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[–] AlphaWookie 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Fuck the Third World. Who gives a shit if they have electric cars or not?

Because one of the big marketing points of the electric car is it will help the environment. In the next 100 years three billion people are going to become online as car buyers and they will be buying are gas cars. So buying or pushing electric cars is a fucking waste of effort. Also if you think 3 billion new gas cars stressing the environment is bad wait until Africa starts buying air conditioning there is no way in hell the world is going to tell Africa they can't have A/C. Basically all those leftist greens are so far up there ass they have no idea what is going on.

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[–] BentAxel 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Am I Replacing my 2015 BMW tomorrow with a Model 3? No. Am I considering it in a year or so. Yep. Superchargers are what I need to see more of but yeah. I see a Tesla in my future.

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[–] Randomhandle 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

At this point I would be impressed to see a car that didn't have a bazillion recalls due to maximum profits goals.

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[–] DeepFriedPickles 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I'm all for electric cars, but I'd like to point out that they're only as green as the electricity you use to charge them. So for example, if the electricity to charge your car comes from your local coal-burning steam plant you won't really be doing anything green. Just something to consider

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[–] GreatDrok 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

This old argument has been debunked many times but keeps coming back. Even driven by electricity from a coal burning plant, an EV is cleaner because centralised power plants are able to run at full efficiency whereas petrol cars don't especially in traffic. Also, an EV is a car that gets cleaner with age as more power is generated by clean renewable sources, whereas an ICE car gets dirtier as it ages due to the engine wear and so on. That said, I get my power from a certified carbon zero supplier and also have rooftop solar so my car is 100% off fossil fuel. Even the batteries can be recycled and are used as backup load levelling for solar power once they finish their lives in the car so the pollution caused by building the car when taken as a lifetime view is far far less for an EV.

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[–] AlphaWookie 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

You are not making a difference at all for the world. 1 billion Africans are going to buy air conditioning in the next 50 years off setting every environmental regulation and effort the first world makes to mitigate CO2. There is no way the first world is going to be able to tell Africa hey you can't have all this cools shit like A/C. Never mind the billion Indians and the other billion Asians that are going to buy A/C units. Just thought you should know.

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[–] Randomhandle 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Not to mention that refineries use coal and electricity to run to be able to refine oil in the first place. That's triple usage plus the gasoline exhaust.

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[–] DeepFriedPickles 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

I never said they were equal in energy greeness. I just said not to herald them as a green miracle like some people do. Personally I'm for the idea of electric cars if for nothing more than taking power away from OPEC. That said I'm still a realist and don't like to live in fantasies

Oh god don't get me started on solar. That's one of the dirtiest forms of energy production. Not to mention the least efficient. People think solar is clean because the actual conversion of energy is clean, but nobody ever looks at how they are made. Take a look at the nasty ass chemicals and toxic wastes that come from solar panel production and disposal. And this is a huge factor considering solar panels only have a lifetime of ~15-25 years at best. IMO the only clean energy sources are wind, tidal, and CANDU nuclear power. Source: chemical engineering with diploma in energy development.

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[–] Randomhandle ago 

Versus a refinery that uses electricity to make gasoline. So gasoline cars use coal and gasoline to run while electric cars only coal. So yeah. Still greener.

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[–] DeepFriedPickles 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Oh yeah. But they aren't the green miracle some people claim them to be.

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[–] indiglo_girls 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I don't know. Musk/Tesla have done a good job of keeping bad press from gaining much traction (Tesla sent out letters to users who used their free chargers "too much", saying there is a limit to how often they can use them, yet most people still think Tesla offers that electricity for free indefinitely. Plus there was recent news from Consumer Reports that used Teslas from 2012, 2013 & 2015 should be avoided because of bad, all-around reliability. But most people haven't heard that either.)

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[–] AlphaWookie 4 points -3 points (+1|-4) ago 

Elon is a great snake oil sales man you do have to give him that.

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[–] MarkTheNerd 3 points -3 points (+0|-3) ago 

I like to get next to a Tesla owner in traffic, or at a light, get him to roll down his window and then yell "YOUR ELECTRIC CAR RUNS ON COAL!". The look on their faces is always worth it.

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[–] Randomhandle 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Yes but pollution once not twice.

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[–] MarkTheNerd ago 

It's only pollution twice if you could rid the world of one type by buying your expensive pretentious car.