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[–] KarlWayne 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Wait a second. Are you seriously posting this? The Russian military has seemed pretty potent these last couple months. The SU-35 s are really phenomenal pieces of machinery. I read the article and the author is a European Council on Foreign Relations shill. I'd be willing to believe that they were impotent if I hadn't seen such contrary results. They are CRUSHING all opposition in Syria. They have advanced EM jamming capabilities and a TON of conventional armaments. They have never spent anything close to what USSA spends on military, but their costs are much more manageable. They churn out a SU-35 for around $40 million whereas we've spent $1.5 trillion on the F35 fighter and its still not working right. They may spend less but they certainly get a LOT more value for money.

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[–] Gerplunckamo [S] 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

The Russian military has seemed pretty potent these last couple months.

Against mudslimes using sticks and twigs. Russia stronk guise.

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[–] KarlWayne 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

Or CIA and Mossad trained and led insurgents. Where are you getting the idea that the rebels or ISIS aren't extremely well armed? The Russian military is no joke.

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[–] KarlWayne 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

+1 from me. That piece is definitely Council on Foreign Relations propaganda. Anyone that thinks Russian military power is not impressive is deluded.

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[–] Gerplunckamo [S] 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Thank you for your contribution to the conversation.

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[–] Somali 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Well thank god vox cleared that up. For a moment there I thought Putin was doing whatever he wanted in Syria and Ukraine was being held together by a peace accord he sketched on a napkin a year ago.

On to war with Russia then!

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[–] Gerplunckamo [S] 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

I'm cool with that. Putin's bluffing and the rest of the world knows it. The little guy's acting out, and he needs a spanking.

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[–] Somali 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah, they know it so much they sit aside and let him do whatever the hell he wants and then bitch about how he's making them all look weak. At least Trump will be elected soon and let Putin have his sphere of influence so everyone will be forced to stop bitching.

The article is classic Vox though. It's like reading Ezra Klein call out a Judo master for not being Dolph Lundgren. His nuclear potential is irrelevant... even though vox darling Obama just pissed away a trillion dollars trying to counter it. Half of any military doctrine is defense and nukes play an active part in that. Then they shame him for having a small budget... as if projecting power the way he's been able to at the cost of an F-35 cockpit is somehow a bad thing.

You could at least have the decency to archive vox articles. Even Russian saboteurs wouldn't go so low as to give vox clicks.

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[–] TheRealAmalek 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Feel free to go to Russia and give Putin a spanking yourself!

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[–] KarlWayne 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Putin doesn't bluff. You'd think we'd have awoken to that fact by now. If there's one thing that I truly admire in Putin it's how strongly he sticks to his guns. If anyone thinks Putin is bluffing they're delusional.

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[–] KarlWayne 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

I love that our MSM media keeps promoting the narrative of Russia being weak. It's not like they were able to roll over Syria in less than a month. Let's not forget the whole Crimea/Ukraine situation, they looked pretty strong there too. Remind me again, who controls Crimea? How about Assad? We wanted him out of power so much we funded and supplied rebel groups to oust him. Russia steps in and suddenly Assad is a fucking rock. They spend so much effort spouting this crap you have to wonder whether they are starting to believe it. We would be extremely hard pressed to deal with Russia in a war. Their immensely lower costs are gonna be an amazing boon if we ever go to war with them. Can you imagine trading 100 SU-35's for 100 F-35's, they'd end up $50-60 billion ahead.

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[–] Somali 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Given the way the F-35 has looked so far they wouldn't even need 100 SU-35's, just one of those jammers they used on Donald Cook.

The cost of US equipment has been one Russia's biggest aces in the proxy war. The main reason Ukraine wasn't armed with anti tank missiles was because they'd have cost 80k a pop to fire. And because they'd be instantly sold off on the black market downstream to the Middle East.

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[–] Gerplunckamo [S] 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

After all, on most objective grounds, Russia is hardly a great power. It has nuclear weapons, but ultimately these are of little practical value. Continued rearmament depends on money, and Russia’s economy is dependent on oil that is now selling for bargain-basement prices. Russia’s economy is the 13th largest in the world, just between Australia and Spain, about half the size of France’s, about a fourteenth of the USA’s. Even before the value of the ruble collapsed, Russian military spending was around one-seventh of America’s.

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[–] TheRealAmalek ago 

If we go to war with Russia... and they start losing they could decide to end the game, then launch all the nukes. Russia can't win vs us, but they can sure as hell stop us from winning.

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[–] forgetmyname 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

When you put it like that, the US could fight a war with russia just to boost its economy!

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[–] Somali 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

The radiation suit business would take off like never before!

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[–] 4389768? ago 

Yes but they have massive resources to call on, Russia wasn't the largest military power at the start of ww1 but it was feared due to its potential.

A country spanning 12 timezones with its own resources and a large population can't be taken lightly.

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[–] mscomies 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Waiting for the Putinites to show up and argue that Russia is strong despite all the evidence to the contrary.

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[–] Gerplunckamo [S] 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

Its about midnight in Moscow, they'll get more active later on in the evening.

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[–] mscomies 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Nah, he has plenty of Jane Fonda types in the west who do it for free.

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[–] Raasha ago 

lol Vox

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[–] TheRealAmalek ago 

Vox is trying to troll us into WW3

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[–] Gerplunckamo [S] 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Hey Amalek, what's my real name? Have you figured it out from that useless IP you got yet?

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[–] TheRealAmalek 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

You are confusing me with that Kike that keeps impersonating me and threatening lawsuits against Voat in order to defame me.

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