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[–] WhoFramedReaderRabit 1 point 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Doesn't matter if their agenda is true as long as it feels true

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[–] chmod 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

And "raises awareness."

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[–] MaleGoddess 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Fact are oppressive, shitlord!

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[–] Greasetrap 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I brought this up to a social activist friend of mine who knows I'm a statistician, and it was very hard to convince her not to continue to state this widespread incorrect belief to me. From what I've read of other sources on the topic, the issue is that women --tend-- to work in social work, education, and other socially oriented positions; rather than men's counterparts of engineering, computer science, or becoming a business owner. Obviously the later set has a higher pay rate.

The issue would then would be if socialization caused such choices and that might be to blame. It's a big -IF- because of the whole nature-nurture thing, and I'm not aware of any substantive conclusion on it; but I like to act and think as if there's no inborn differences in people.

The central problem with my friend was that despite being convinced it was untrue, it didn't dissuade her from wanting to continue stating it. It didn't matter that the argument was based on a lie. I don't see how you can succeed at promoting any beneficial change with such pathetic standards.

I have to say I wasn't really surprised, but its just another example keeping me from caring about those kinds of viewpoints.

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[–] WhoFramedReaderRabit 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

OMG I had the same experience, I showed and explain to this girl I know why there's a difference in wages, and even though she agreed with me, she still "felt like" men somehow where controlling and manipulating the system to keep women down.

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[–] Mylon 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

My current fear is that these people won't stop until they have equal results. Equal opportunity be damned.

These things have a long lag time. Assuming all of these factors were fixed today, we might not see results for 20 years. Which can mean people would still be trying to fudge the factors in women's favor. And guess what? That's exactly what has happened. Women already have greater opportunity. Greater scholarships. Greater college attendance rates. Greater college graduation rates. In 20 years this "pay gap" will be vastly different.

Yet feminists are still calling for more change. They are not happy that they don't have equal results NOW. If they keep pushing then the pendulum is going to swing so far the other way that in 20 years we're going to have some massive upheaval due to the blatant misandry required to keep giving women more opportunity. This is why these people need to be stopped now. Women deserve an education. They deserve opportunity. They're getting it. They don't need more because it is becoming obvious that it is coming at the expense of opportunity for men.

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[–] AstroTibs 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

We know.

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[–] konjelly 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

From this post:

Economist here, to claim that this shows gender discrimination is not occurring because wages within occupation wages are similar is generally incorrect. The economics literature has studied this gap extensively. Now I'll avoid going into boring details on methodology, but simply put YES there is a wage gap and YES the gap generally disappears in the data when you control for positions within occupation/job titles.

There is very little wage disparity within specific occupational titles (or tiers.) That is because the mechanism for discrimination lies within the promotional and title allocation process. Women are overqualified for their positions relative to their male counterparts. i.e. they generally have more education/tenure. Now companies are not necessarily discriminating because they have a preference against women, there are some other reasons. Female employees generally have a lower turnover rate and firms can exploit this by paying them less. Now firms don't generally just give women a lower wage, because that would be obvious and never hold up in court. Instead they promote women less frequently and put them in lower paying job titles. If you look at the differences in college educated wage growth, it suggests women don't get promoted/get placed in lower paying categories.

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[–] Gigan 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Then, using PayScale's proprietary MarketMatchâ„¢ Algorithm, we determined what the female median pay would be using the exact same blend of compensable factors as our control male group.

That's a useless way to gather data. The algorithm would rely on assumptions, so the female data is essentially whatever the researches thought it should be.

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[–] Danbear 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Exactly, its more of a job gap than a wage gap, and there are a million reasons why men and women choose different careers.

Trying to debate why there are less male teachers and less female physicists is a very nuanced and detailed discussion with positive and negative lights for both sides.

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[–] The_Wanderer 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I tend to be skeptical of anything that requires a fucking trademark after its name and yet is still involved in scientific research. Doubly so if they feel the need to declare it "proprietary", like it's some kind of honor badge that they've patented the ever-loving shit out of it.

Good catch, though.

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[–] DorkJedi ago 

I read it as you get the same numbers if you apply the same criteria to both groups.

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[–] foxfaction 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

So instead of 80 cents to the dollar, women actually make 96 cents to the dollar as compared to men, if equally qualified and with the same job.