[–] Darth_Shitlord ago
Not sure if you saw the rolling army of militarized police back during the ferguson riots, but what exactly is your plan to "stand up" to that?
Easy. You go after their families. Cops live in the communities they work in. How long do you think the police force will stay on the side of government when Johnny Law comes home to find his family's entrails strewn about his living room?
[–] sonic_bison ago
Oh right. Suddenly everyone will have the stomach to butcher a cop's innocent family.
Just like in ferguson where all the law abiding citizens hunkered down waiting for things to blow over?
You're thinking that there is gonna be a single event that causes all of the law abiding population to rise up against the police? I disagree. What we're seeing is a slow and steady build up. This will take generations and tomorrow's pussies will be so used to injustice it won't even matter.
[–] Darth_Shitlord 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I think one event could spark it, but unless there is any sort of organized opposition government that states or regions decide to follow instead then the revolt would devolve into disorganized chaos. In that case then waging a rebellion using rules and conventional methods won't be able to take the gov't down, you'd have to resort to tactics like killing families of cops in order to not yourself be killed. I'm not saying it's pretty or that I'd even want that, but that may be the only choice effective enough to get change. They'll keep pushing people until that's the only choice.
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[–] sonic_bison ago
Except it really is that simple. Even if tomorrow we were thrown into anarchy, all we have to do is look to what happened after Katrina to see how we'd react.
Lots of cops went rogue and looted/murdered as they pleased. Gangs did the same. The national guard came in and restored order and life went on. That huge swath of the population you say would rise up and fight back? They are lining up at shelters trying to get a meal and a good nights sleep. Meanwhile anyone out on the streets is living in the Wild West
[–] sonic_bison ago
I'm not sure what you're referring to, but in the U.S. We won't see a unified rebellion against the government. Period. Maybe at one point the citizens in the U.S. were like-minded enough to join together, but we can't even agree on voting to overthrow a corrupt government.
[–] chryseos-geckota ago
well considering the state and local law enforcement is at about 250 officers per 100,000 citizens and there are total federal LEO 120,000 , an all out shooting war would be an uphill battle for just police.
[–] sonic_bison 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Of those 100,000, how many have weapons and are willing and capable of standing up to an organized military? Probably not as many as you think.
The main difference between the civilians and military/law enforcement (besides training and equipment) is leadership and direction.
Let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say that 60% of that 100,000 have guns and are willing to stand up against the police. Who's gonna organize them? You can't say that they could effectively stand up to police without solid organization and planning.
Which concludes that they would be random disorganized attacks against police? Don't forget they have survalence equipment, infrared,night vision and so on...
[–] chryseos-geckota ago
Don't forget that of the 100,000 there are children elderly, infirm, etc. who are unable to fight as well. So those numbers would be substantially lower.
However I'd assume there be a decent number on the law enforcement side unwilling to face civilians as well.
The numbers would still be significant stacked against the coppers.
Even in "peaceful" circumstances police can't control locations in the US; Baltimore, Atlanta Oakland etc. Now imagine if people's ire was truly inspired?
[–] sonic_bison ago
Who's gonna assemble the entire population into an 'army' capable of standing up to the actual army currently in place??
You're greatly overestimating what the average Joe will do once the shit goes down.
[–] pepepepepe ago
I think you're underestimating the morality of individuals in the military. Given the right initial conditions, I think a significant portion of them would desert or turn their guns around. Even the most discliplined soldiers will question why they're going door to door in American neighborhoods to hunt down American citizens.
[–] foltaisaprovenshill ago
There are 101 legal firearms per 100 persons in the US.
If you know anything about the history of warfare, you'd realize that 800k cops, no matter how well armed, will not win against a rebel force that well armed.
Even poorly armed guerilla forces are nearly impossible to deal with.
[–] sonic_bison ago (edited ago)
800k cops? What about the national guard? Army reserves, Army/navy/Air Force/marines?
Pretty sure once cops lose control of their city, shock troops would be deployed to restore order. Once things get bad enough it's just a quick flyby from an F-16 (or drone) to clean up stragglers.
How many anti-aircraft surface to air missiles you got per 100 citizens?
There is simply no way for us to hope to win a fight if the military turns on the citizens.
Edit* if you want proof of this, take a look at some of the infrared bombing runs in Afghanistan and have fun trying to hide your heat signature from a 30million dollar drone