[–] Novius 3 points 5 points 8 points (+8|-3) ago (edited ago)
I find the great struggle isn't Left versus Right, but Urban versus Rural.
The Urban "Left" is bombarded by other people, often at the head of companies, messing with their day and lives be it attacks on Planned Parenthood that leave you without health, Wall Street Cronyism sweeping through the economy and taking your job, managers at your job endlessly pushing greater immorality in your actions against customers, companies destroying the Environment for pennies saved on their ledger, Campaign financing "bribing" their own representatives away from representing them, and endless ungodly-materialism finally destroying their credit and forever keeping them in poverty. They wish for anyone to come and make a fair system that lets their level of work become their level of success. If that is the 'state' crushing the 'nation', then so be it.
The Rural "Right" is bombarded by endless government regulation messing with their morals and lives be it Abortion and reproductive care disestablishing family values, Campaign finance stealing their representatives to push alien morality, Drug policy that reaches into people's business, Education that reprograms your children's minds with lgbtqqiaap+ sexuality lessons, Law and order being turned into a farce that might kill your family,Healthcare and Social Security that taxes you and then plays with the money, Veterans Affairs that let down our wounded heroes that fight to keep this nation alive, Immigration which wants to change what being a citizen is with Christian and female no-go zones for great social justice guilt, Foreign policy that removes your job and gives you a disrespectful one instead for crony globalism, national defence that's become an enemy-maker and weaker the more expensive it gets, and finally Firearms regulation that takes your final act of recourse from you. They wish for anyone to come and make a fair system that lets their level of work become their level of success. If that is the 'nation' crushing the 'state', then so be it.
[–] miro 6 points 1 point 7 points (+7|-6) ago
This one, I believe, would resonate well on Voat.
True, I doubt anyone on Voat will argue for equality of outcome, but what about some balancing of outcome? I'd argue every developed nation does this to some degree. The line is drawn somewhere between the two extremes this quote suggests.
[–] ovix 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I agree, going full right is a wrong way to go. There's always going to be people left behind and if your answer to this is "just let them die" because they didn't earn it, you've gone too far. The problem is that people stick to ideology and have a tendency to take it to logical extremes instead of acknowledging shortcomings and filling in those gaps with ideas that counter their main narrative. There needs to be an honest and rational compromise.
[–] b0ard2death 1 point 7 points 8 points (+8|-1) ago
What do you mean by balancing of outcome? If you're talking about things like family friends giving people opportunities, that would go back to opportunity being equal, which I agree with. I however do not agree that people should get further with less achievement because of opportunity, so I would completely agree with this quote. I may be missing the point you're making though.
[–] miro 3 points 3 points 6 points (+6|-3) ago
I'm thinking of programs such as social security in the US. Retirement benefits have nothing to do with opportunity since the people who collect it aren't looking for employment. The aim is not to make outcome perfectly equal, but it certainly makes outcome more equal than it would otherwise be.
[–] mamwad 0 points 8 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago (edited ago)
He's not wrong, but there are different ways to structure the "game," so to speak. Ideally, you'd want to set the game up as cooperatively as possible. There's always going to be room for exceptional people to stand out, and by no means should they be hindered from doing a fantastic job and getting rewarded for it, provided they don't knock others down to get ahead.
[–] SaneGoatiSwear 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago (edited ago)
[–] Mylon 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
I agree that collaboration and competition work great together. Our culture is very much a competitive one and is eager to say, "Fuck you I got mine" and neglect the consequences of how a floundering group might drag them down. We need to change that.