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[–] wilwilwesly 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

ISIS was created in 1999 by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi to overthrow the monarchy in Jordan. You could say the Bush administration invading Iraq and the Obama administration bombing Gaddafi out of power and supporting the Syrian jihadist rebels emboldened ISIS but to say Obama and Hillary created ISIS is counterfactual

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[–] Maxcactus 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

You put up a good fight but facts and reason matter little here. Voat is in Lord Of The Flies mode.

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[–] Reddit_is_4_fagz ago 

Mind the boulders.

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[–] Pwning4Ever ago 

They created ISIS with their stupidity

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[–] Luke_Luck 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

The reality star speaks the truth.

The politician lies.

Why are we surprised?

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[–] geese 1 point 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

He actually said it, the absolute madman.

Can't be stumped.

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[–] ding0bait 2 points 1 point (+3|-2) ago 

The average us citizen needs to know this. Obama and lady death have been forcing us troops to give aid to sworn enemies of the United states

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[–] Maxcactus ago 

Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan?

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[–] ding0bait ago 

Al-Queda and ISIS

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[–] WhiteRonin 1 point 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

We need more candidates calling out the Obama / Hilalry campaign.

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[–] Maxcactus 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Yes. The ones that are doing it now are poor choices for president. We need more candidates.

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[–] mamwad 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

ISIS was born under the mismanagement of two US administrations. Bush was the one who removed all Baathist public officials from office, even though they were the only ones qualified to do government work. Bush was the one that installed Malaki and sat ideally by while he stoked a civil war. The Obama adminstration just put the cherry on top.

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[–] wilwilwesly 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Iraq wasn't really stable in 2008 the massive amount of military force used in the surge caused a temporary mild lull in the Iraqi civil war and gave Iraq the illusion of stability, although there were still bombings on a regular basis and a few major battles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_in_Iraq https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_spring_fighting_of_2008

Obama's biggest mistake, in my opinion, was getting involved in Iraq again and not just letting the chips fall as they may.

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[–] ovta 1 point 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

This is the kind of thing he needs to say if he wants to be the next POTUS.

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[–] Grumpy_Old_Man 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The MSM has chosen Hillary, much like they did with Obama. It's going to be an uphill battle.

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[–] Maxcactus ago 

Does MSM have that kind of power?😂

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