[–] middle_path 1 point 3 points 4 points (+4|-1) ago
So they follow the word of a war monger in the name of peace? How, exactly?
[–] Wikiahmadiyya [S] 1 point 3 points 4 points (+4|-1) ago
The Quran forbids war with the exception of self-defence.
[–] Vailx 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
First, its easy to follow a warlike doctrine in a peaceful way. Similarly, you can follow a peaceful doctrine in a warlike way. If humans routinely treated their holy documents as a source code to be executed, the result would be amusing and ludicrous.
Here's why this is such a great link:
1- It shows a denomination of Islam that isn't decentralized, like the majority of Islam.
2- It shows a peaceful interpretation that doesn't emphasize the "hey go conquer" stuff.
Anyway, to answer your question more exactly, these guys are to Sunni Islam as Mormons are to Protestantism- they believe another guy came and brought a new patchset. The relevant part is because he patches jihad to eliminate the conquering offensive style jihad.
Of course, these guys are considered heretics by the Islamists :/
[–] Wikiahmadiyya [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Its interesting you say that (and a fairly accurate representation of Sunni views).
Because Sunnis initially maintained we 'patched' jihad. We maintained the [violent among] Sunnis had mutilated jihad and we had only restored it to its original form, as Islam intended it to be. A century or so later, 9/11 happened and lots of the Sunni clerics came out with our exact 'patched' version of jihad saying it was what the Quran taught (fighting only allowed in self defence, jihad essentially a reference to spiritual self reformation through striving towards ever higher morality etc).
[–] JesTheRed 2 points -1 points 1 point (+1|-2) ago
Fuck them and anybody who thinks morality, intelligence, social rules, or anything else ought to be determined by an invisible sky being.
Somehow two fucking thirds of the planet are complete fucking morons. It'd be sad if it weren't so fucking funny.
[–] gardellaforgot 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Why aren't we (western nations) funding schools, mosques, and madrassas promoting this?
[–] Wikiahmadiyya [S] 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
:)
The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community doesn't accept donations from any sources except internal (ie from Ahmadi Muslims).
[–] Perigran 2 points 0 points 2 points (+2|-2) ago (edited ago)
If you're a peaceful Muslim you leave Islam and join another religion. You don't join the NRA and then say you support gun confiscation. Islam teaches violence. Period.
[–] meskanda 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
let the hate flow through you
[–] Perigran 2 points 0 points 2 points (+2|-2) ago
Hate? Just facts man, just facts.
[–] Wikiahmadiyya [S] 1 point 3 points 4 points (+4|-1) ago
I posted this elsewhere on this thread while discussing how the Quran actually only permits fighting in self-defence and as I think it's an appropriate reply to your comment:
Note - not only is permission to fight only give in self defence, but Muslims are told to defend Christian churches and Jewish synagogues before they defend their own mosques. Elsewhere the Quran says:
Again, permission to fight is given to those who fight you first but even here the Muslims are reminded not to 'transgress' which means even while fighting they are not allowed to exceed the bounds of decency and only to respond in a proportionate manner. Then the verses go on that even after they have declared war against you, if they cease fighting then you must also cease because fighting is only permitted against aggressors. Again the Quran states:
These verses were in reference to non-Muslims who had repeatedly broken treaties to attack the Muslims. The Muslims found themselves at war due to this. But even then the Quran said that if the attackers inclined towards peace the Muslims must accept it and end the war. Moreover, if the Muslims suspected the attackers were only proposing peace so they could 'deceive' and break their treaties once more, even then they must accept the peace and simply trust in Allah, which is quite an astonoshing standard of peacefulness when we think about it carefully.