[–] Wikiahmadiyya [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Let me go through your points one by one
1- Your first links are on shariah law. As far as these go, when Muhammad (sa) was elected the chief of Medina he said shariah law would apply to the Muslims, Jewish law to the Jews and Christian law to the Christian law to the Christians and pagan law to pagans. He also said 'Loyalty to one's country is a part of faith' therefore if a Muslim lives in a non-Muslim country it is their duty to be obedient to the laws of the country they live in. So I see nothing objectionable about this - if Muslims in a Muslim-majority country wish to practice shariah who are you to impose your Christian values on them? Non-Muslims living in Muslim countries should be exempt from shariah as Muhammad (sa) allowed the Christians and Jews of his time to be exempt. And Muslims living in non-Muslim countries should follow the laws of those lands as Muhammad (sa) taught 'Loyalty to one's country is a part of faith'. There is nothing objectionable in this to any reasonable person.
2- The second link is to a specifically anti-Islamic site. May I ask, would you encourage others to learn Christianity from specifically anti-Christian sites? Would you encourage people to learn of Judaism from specifically anti-Jewish sources, like say Mein Kampf? This doesn't seem to be an objective way to go about learning of other's beliefs, in fact it seems particularly close minded. This is reinforced by the fact the very first verses quoted on the 'Religion of Peace' link are from verses 2:!90-193. Now the fact you have linked to these verses demonstrates to me that you are approaching this entire subject in an extremely high-handed and biased manner. Because I have already quoted those verses (among others) as a sign of Islam's peacefulness on this thread and asked you to read them.As clearly you have not read my comment I will quote it again as I final proof that the Quran only allows fighting in self-defence - exactly as you claim the Bible allows:
Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory. [They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah ." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. (Quran chapter 22:39-40)
Note - not only is permission to fight only give in self defence, but Muslims are told to defend Christian churches and Jewish synagogues before they defend their own mosques. Elsewhere the Quran says:
Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and persecution is worse than killing. And do not fight them at the sacred mosque until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors. (Quran chapter 2:190-193)
Again, permission to fight is given to those who fight you first but even here the Muslims are reminded not to 'transgress' which means even while fighting they are not allowed to exceed the bounds of decency and only to respond in a proportionate manner. Then the verses go on that even after they have declared war against you, if they cease fighting then you must also cease because fighting is only permitted against aggressors. Again the Quran states:
And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also] and rely upon Allah . Indeed, it is He who is the Hearing, the Knowing. But if they intend to deceive you - then sufficient for you is Allah . It is He who supported you with His help and with the believers (Quran chapter 8:60-61)
These verses were in reference to non-Muslims who had repeatedly broken treaties to attack the Muslims. The Muslims found themselves at war due to this. But even then the Quran said that if the attackers inclined towards peace the Muslims must accept it and end the war. Moreover, if the Muslims suspected the attackers were only proposing peace so they could 'deceive' and break their treaties once more, even then they must accept the peace and simply trust in Allah, which is quite an astonoshing standard of peacefulness when we think about it carefully.
3- You then state you are a Christian but you would not force your religion on anyone. Good, the Quran also forbids Muslims from forcing their religion on anyone:
There is no compulsion in religion (Quran chapter 2 verse 256)
4-You write: "My God teaches me to love everyone in the world as I love myself". Good. The Quran states:
Show kindness to parents, and to kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and to the neighbour that is a kinsman and the neighbour that is a stranger (Quran chapter 4 v 37)
5- Thou shalt not kill? Quran says exactly the same:
Whosoever killed a person — unless it be for killing a person or for creating disorder in the land — it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and whoso gave life to one, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind (Quran c5 v33)
6- You go on: "However according to what I just posted almost 40% of the people who practice your religion would force their beliefs onto me and 28% think violence in the name of Islam is justified. 0% of Christians should believe violence in the defense of Christianity is justified"
Oh really? What about the Ku Klux Klan? What about the Crusades? What about the burning of witches? What about the wars and killing that have occurred in the name of Christian nations? What about Anders Brevik? What about the Christian empires of the 1800s, done by good Christians in the name of their faith, conquering the whole world and wiping out Native Americans and aboriginal people? What about the slave trade? What about segregation, done by good Christian people against black Christian people until the 1960s. What about nuclear bombs, how do they fit into your world view. Two have been dropped by Christian nations and non by Muslims. What about World Wars, Two have been started by Christian nations, consuming the whole world and killing over 100 million people. Non by Muslims. What about the man at the abortion clinic a few days ago who killed all those people? What about in Africa where in some countries the African Christians are killing so many Muslims in the name of their religion to this day that entire regions are having all the Muslims expelled - look it up.
Believe it or not, the adherents of a religion do not always properly represent its teachings. Many Christians and Christian nations have failed to follow the teachings of Jesus and the same can be said of the Muslims and Muhammad (sa).
Our God is the same God as yours, except he has no son because only those who weakly expect to die require children.
I bear you no ill will. I belong to the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam. We have zero terrorists and 100% of us believe in peace. Our motto is Love for All Hatred for None. I have only love for you but as you have spoken quite rudely about my faith I hope you don't mind my strong response in its defence. Best wishes, love and peace to you.