[–] Perigran 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago (edited ago)
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm
Sir or Mam, your religion is nothing but pure cancer. If you consider yourself a decent human being I would consider a different religion to practice. I am a Christian, and I would never force my beliefs onto anyone. My God teaches me to love everyone in the world as I love myself, and to be kind and patient, and if I am insulted or harmed I am to turn the other cheek, and I am explicitly commanded that "thou shalt not kill" without any disclaimers other than self defense. However according to what I just posted almost 40% of the people who practice your religion would force their beliefs onto me and 28% think violence in the name of Islam is justified. 0% of Christians should believe violence in the defense of Christianity is justified and if a survey was done it would be close to 0 because we believe that God can handle things and that we don't have to blow people up and kill for Gods will to come to fruition. Your God must be a very weak God if he needs suicide bombers and beheadings for his will to be made real. Additionally Islam teaches that in the end the world will be one big Islamic caliphate. So in essence believers in your religion think that they inevitably must take over and run the world.
[–] Wikiahmadiyya [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Let me go through your points one by one
1- Your first links are on shariah law. As far as these go, when Muhammad (sa) was elected the chief of Medina he said shariah law would apply to the Muslims, Jewish law to the Jews and Christian law to the Christian law to the Christians and pagan law to pagans. He also said 'Loyalty to one's country is a part of faith' therefore if a Muslim lives in a non-Muslim country it is their duty to be obedient to the laws of the country they live in. So I see nothing objectionable about this - if Muslims in a Muslim-majority country wish to practice shariah who are you to impose your Christian values on them? Non-Muslims living in Muslim countries should be exempt from shariah as Muhammad (sa) allowed the Christians and Jews of his time to be exempt. And Muslims living in non-Muslim countries should follow the laws of those lands as Muhammad (sa) taught 'Loyalty to one's country is a part of faith'. There is nothing objectionable in this to any reasonable person.
2- The second link is to a specifically anti-Islamic site. May I ask, would you encourage others to learn Christianity from specifically anti-Christian sites? Would you encourage people to learn of Judaism from specifically anti-Jewish sources, like say Mein Kampf? This doesn't seem to be an objective way to go about learning of other's beliefs, in fact it seems particularly close minded. This is reinforced by the fact the very first verses quoted on the 'Religion of Peace' link are from verses 2:!90-193. Now the fact you have linked to these verses demonstrates to me that you are approaching this entire subject in an extremely high-handed and biased manner. Because I have already quoted those verses (among others) as a sign of Islam's peacefulness on this thread and asked you to read them.As clearly you have not read my comment I will quote it again as I final proof that the Quran only allows fighting in self-defence - exactly as you claim the Bible allows:
Note - not only is permission to fight only give in self defence, but Muslims are told to defend Christian churches and Jewish synagogues before they defend their own mosques. Elsewhere the Quran says:
Again, permission to fight is given to those who fight you first but even here the Muslims are reminded not to 'transgress' which means even while fighting they are not allowed to exceed the bounds of decency and only to respond in a proportionate manner. Then the verses go on that even after they have declared war against you, if they cease fighting then you must also cease because fighting is only permitted against aggressors. Again the Quran states:
These verses were in reference to non-Muslims who had repeatedly broken treaties to attack the Muslims. The Muslims found themselves at war due to this. But even then the Quran said that if the attackers inclined towards peace the Muslims must accept it and end the war. Moreover, if the Muslims suspected the attackers were only proposing peace so they could 'deceive' and break their treaties once more, even then they must accept the peace and simply trust in Allah, which is quite an astonoshing standard of peacefulness when we think about it carefully.
3- You then state you are a Christian but you would not force your religion on anyone. Good, the Quran also forbids Muslims from forcing their religion on anyone:
4-You write: "My God teaches me to love everyone in the world as I love myself". Good. The Quran states:
5- Thou shalt not kill? Quran says exactly the same:
6- You go on: "However according to what I just posted almost 40% of the people who practice your religion would force their beliefs onto me and 28% think violence in the name of Islam is justified. 0% of Christians should believe violence in the defense of Christianity is justified"
Oh really? What about the Ku Klux Klan? What about the Crusades? What about the burning of witches? What about the wars and killing that have occurred in the name of Christian nations? What about Anders Brevik? What about the Christian empires of the 1800s, done by good Christians in the name of their faith, conquering the whole world and wiping out Native Americans and aboriginal people? What about the slave trade? What about segregation, done by good Christian people against black Christian people until the 1960s. What about nuclear bombs, how do they fit into your world view. Two have been dropped by Christian nations and non by Muslims. What about World Wars, Two have been started by Christian nations, consuming the whole world and killing over 100 million people. Non by Muslims. What about the man at the abortion clinic a few days ago who killed all those people? What about in Africa where in some countries the African Christians are killing so many Muslims in the name of their religion to this day that entire regions are having all the Muslims expelled - look it up.
Believe it or not, the adherents of a religion do not always properly represent its teachings. Many Christians and Christian nations have failed to follow the teachings of Jesus and the same can be said of the Muslims and Muhammad (sa).
Our God is the same God as yours, except he has no son because only those who weakly expect to die require children.
I bear you no ill will. I belong to the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam. We have zero terrorists and 100% of us believe in peace. Our motto is Love for All Hatred for None. I have only love for you but as you have spoken quite rudely about my faith I hope you don't mind my strong response in its defence. Best wishes, love and peace to you.