[–] rwbj 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago (edited ago)
I've been noticing a same thing in a variety of subs as I primarily check use /all/new to find interesting topics. It's not doing good things to the site since it's resulting in enormous numbers of submissions with little or no commentary - it makes things look completely dead. Right the front page of /v/all/new (25 topics) have a total of 7 posts, including the 4 in this thread. The second 25 links have a total of 3 coments. The third 25 links also have a total of 3 comments and so forth.
[–] rwbj 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
Yeah thinking about it for a bit I tried to ninja edit that out. You're fast.
I'm not sure what a reasonable solution is. We obviously want people submitting comment but it's currently starting starting to look like an empty site when the vast majority of submissions on the front page, and several after it, have 0 commentary.
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[–] Danbear [S] 1 point 1 point 2 points (+2|-1) ago
http://i.imgur.com/oT6eObT.jpg
That's what I was seeing.
[–] BrutalJones 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
You're looking at the New tab. @buttflyhoney was specifically referring to the /v/news subverse frontpage, which looks far different from what you posted.
[–] LizardBreathe 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
I would not take it as being spied on, or even called out for it, but instead using you as an example to start a important conversation. I would not tell you to not stop what you are doing at this point, and I doubt that anyone will even bother to look at your account once this thread has finished its discussion.
[–] BrutalJones 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
I don't see the problem. More content is good. If it's bad content, downvote it.
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[–] Danbear [S] 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Yeah, I was thinking something like putting a 10-20 min delay between making a new submission to the same subverse. Give the first one time to be read before you push the next.
I guess the argument comes down to Quality vs. Volume. Some people are arguing its fine because it IS content, but I don't just want content, I want Community. I'm on the same page as you.
[–] Will_P 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I like the rule about needing upvotes (upvoats?) before a user can start downvoting people. Maybe there's something akin to that? Like the more positive reception for your posts, the faster and more often you can vote?
Of course, creating power users can have its own set of problems...
[–] 123_456 0 points 19 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago (edited ago)
Hello. You are throwing out some accusations here, which I feel are incorrect:
I don't care about points.
It's not spam. Spam specifically is advertisements.
I have no affiliations with any of those websites and gain no benefits from submitting them to Voat.
I only submitted those to add content to this website, which it is lacking.
I read every single one of those articles. We're not talking about a hundred articles here. There are less than 20.
What is this signal to noise business? Why would people not post because of my submissions? There are barely any submissions around here. The front page is extremely static.
Yeah, these links are on reddit, but reddit is just an aggregator. These also appear on other social bookmarking websites that exist, like digg, boingboing, stumbleupon, Facebook, Google News, etc. And these are large websites. You don't think I visit the Washington Post, or CNN on my own, that I get my stuff exclusively through one website?
Now I don't feel like posting anymore...!
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[–] Danbear [S] 2 points 1 point 3 points (+3|-2) ago
Honestly did you read all of those? Did you read ANY of those?
If you don't even read them then why should anyone else?
IMO the only thing worse than comments commenting without reading the article is an OP who is posting without even reading the article.
Yes, there is more aggregators than Reddit but just because a news story is heavily aggregated doesn't mean it belongs here, much less that it should be posted without even reading it. That makes things just one GIANT echo chamber.
Post away, but next time take the time to read the articles and leave a comment or two about the news story, what you personally think, why we should care enough to read it too, what greater implications that story might have on the world. Offer more than just a link, please offer more than just a dumped bucket of links, please for the love of god read the stuff before you dump the bucket.
[–] BrutalJones 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Honestly did you read all of those? Did you read ANY of those?
If you don't even read them then why should anyone else?
IMO the only thing worse than comments commenting without reading the article is an OP who is posting without even reading the article.
I don't see that any of this is relevant. The point of Voat is to upvote good content and downvote bad content. If he posts something of poor quality, you guarantee somebody will call it out in the comments and it will be downvoted. And even that is valuable -- If something is disagreeable or of poor quality, there is valuable discussion to be had in conversing on why that is.
Yes, there is more aggregators than Reddit but just because a news story is heavily aggregated doesn't mean it belongs here, much less that it should be posted without even reading it. That makes things just one GIANT echo chamber.
I don't quite following you here... How does posting links found on Reddit make Voat an "echo chamber"?
Post away, but next time take the time to read the articles and leave a comment or two about the news story, what you personally think, why we should care enough to read it too, what greater implications that story might have on the world. Offer more than just a link, please offer more than just a dumped bucket of links, please for the love of god read the stuff before you dump the bucket.
Why is this important? I don't come to Voat to read an OP's comments on a link, I come here to browse the links. And he has provided a ton of content for me to browse.
Honest question: Why does his posting activity bother you enough to start a dedicated discussion? Voat is a small community that benefits from content, and he is providing. He's not spamming as none of this benefits him personally or financially. He's posting legitimate links to things that warrant discussion. I honestly don't agree that this is adversely affecting the site in any way, which makes me question why it seems to bother you so much.
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[–] EarthGleaner 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
Yes, please don't be discouraged. Right now, I feel, is a good time to do some focusing on populating the site. I think this helps to build a larger foundation for Voat. As this solidifies we can proceed with building this cathedral of beautiful, more carefully placed information.
[–] noexit 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
Finally somebody that understands the definition of spam. Spam tries to generate revenue. This is often called shitposting and it's up to Voaters to decide if they read it or upvoat it. If it annoys somebody they can downvoat or put in a negative comment during the discussion. Shotgun shitposting is not spam, it's often just way for somebody with limited time to take care of their posting all at once.
[–] Danbear [S] 1 point 3 points 4 points (+4|-1) ago
Well that is the newer usage of Spam yeah, but originally it was meant to be anything that is posted/said repeated quickly. Like if I went on your IRC chat and said "K" "K" "K" "K" "K" "K" "K" "K" "K" "K" "K" "K" "K" "K" over and over constantly so no one could see any other content on the screen, I would be "spamming" the chat.
That is the context that I used Spam here.
[–] smokratez 1 point 6 points 7 points (+7|-1) ago (edited ago)
I don't mind more active contributors. It's not like it's the same site where the articles are coming from. Nor is it the same topic. I see no agenda pushing either.